What do you think of the 4070Ti?

[g67575]

I think they'll do a 4070 FE but apparently that's only going to use a 106 die so will probably struggle to match a 3080 for a similar price.

I doubt that. Wouldn't make much sense to use AD104 for the RTX 4070 TI only.

Techpowerup think it will be AD104:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Specs

NVIDIA AD104, 2475 MHz, 5888 Cores, 184 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 12288 MB GDDR6X, 1313 MHz, 192 bit

www.techpowerup.com

It might be roughly as fast as an RTX 3080 10GB, it will likely depend on how high the silicon can be clocked.

 

[Cooper]

Its a piece of garbage designed to hoover up the remaining FOMO suckers.

 

[Trickle]

The reality:
1. 3080 was a £700+ card at release. A tiny proportion of people were able to get it at £650 until at least 1+ year later.
2. We've had 15+% inflation in the last 2 years.
3. We've lost nearly 10% £/$
4. Some people don't count power efficiency as an improvement.

You add up all the above and what a surprise, you come out with this exact price for a 3rd tier card.

This card looks like its going to be 20% faster than a 3080 at 2K and use >10% less power. So a 1 third improvement over the 3080. We were 'promised' a 50% Pascal-like improvement by the leakers. Yeah, its a disappointment. But most of the posters in this thread seem out of touch with post inflation reality.

 

[Joxeon]

The reality:
1. 3080 was a £700+ card at release. A tiny proportion of people were able to get it at £650 until at least 1+ year later.
2. We've had 15+% inflation in the last 2 years.
3. We've lost nearly 10% £/$
4. Some people don't count power efficiency as an improvement.

You add up all the above and what a surprise, you come out with this exact price for a 3rd tier card.

This card looks like its going to be 20% faster than a 3080 at 2K and use >10% less power. So a 1 third improvement over the 3080. We were 'promised' a 50% Pascal-like improvement by the leakers. Yeah, its a disappointment. But most of the posters in this thread seem out of touch with post inflation reality.

3070ti was $600 so 600+15%=690? unless Nvidias inflation is running at around 35% I'm not how we get to $800, and don't forget to factor in shrinkflation of the die which is 25% smaller this time round.

 

[uksoldierboy]

It's exactly like the 7900xtx, xt, 4090, 4080...
Fantastic gpus, that are fantastically overpriced.

 

[RavenXXX2]

Its a piece of garbage designed to hoover up the remaining FOMO suckers.

Garbage at $800 yes, should be $499 max. As for fomo, that subsided with the mining and covid on the decline as witnessed by the plentiful stock of the new gen cards.

 

[Haz123]

3070ti was $600 so 600+15%=690? unless Nvidias inflation is running at around 35% I'm not how we get to $800, and don't forget to factor in shrinkflation of the die which is 25% smaller this time round.

Totally agree that the prices are ridiculous but the 4070ti is on the TSMC 5nm+ node which is way more expensive than the 8nm Samsung node the 3000 series was on. The 4000 series cards have amazing performance and also incredbile performance/watt , TSMC does it again.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

3070ti was $600 so 600+15%=690? unless Nvidias inflation is running at around 35% I'm not how we get to $800, and don't forget to factor in shrinkflation of the die which is 25% smaller this time round.

The RTX4070TI isn't a 70 series card but a rebadged 60/60TI series card. The GPU is under 300MM2 too. People keep forgetting Nvidia released an AD103,so the AD104 actually is now the same position as the GA106 in the lineup and the AD103 is basically where the GA104 was positioned.

But even ignoring die size,just look at the shader count:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Specs

NVIDIA AD102, 2520 MHz, 16384 Cores, 512 TMUs, 176 ROPs, 24576 MB GDDR6X, 1313 MHz, 384 bit

www.techpowerup.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Specs

NVIDIA AD104, 2610 MHz, 7680 Cores, 240 TMUs, 80 ROPs, 12288 MB GDDR6X, 1313 MHz, 192 bit

www.techpowerup.com

The RTX4070TI has 47% of the shader count of the RTX4090,half the VRAM capacity and 50% of the memory bandwith.

Now look at the RTX3090TI vs the RTX3070TI and RTX3060:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti Specs

NVIDIA GA102, 1860 MHz, 10752 Cores, 336 TMUs, 112 ROPs, 24576 MB GDDR6X, 1313 MHz, 384 bit

www.techpowerup.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Specs

NVIDIA GA104, 1770 MHz, 6144 Cores, 192 TMUs, 96 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6X, 1188 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12 GB Specs

NVIDIA GA106, 1777 MHz, 3584 Cores, 112 TMUs, 48 ROPs, 12288 MB GDDR6, 1875 MHz, 192 bit

www.techpowerup.com

The RTX3070TI has 57% of the shader count of the RTX3090TI and 60.3% of the memory bandwidth of the RTX3090TI.
The RTX3060 has 33% of the shader count of the RTX3090TI and 35.7% of the memory bandwidth of the RTX3090TI.

Now look at how it is compared to the RTX3060TI:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti Specs

NVIDIA GA104, 1665 MHz, 4864 Cores, 152 TMUs, 80 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

It has 45.2% of the shader count of the RTX3090TI and 44% of the memory bandwidth.

So the RTX4070TI essentially has a dGPU chip about the same of a 106 series chip,but relative performance to the top is closer to a 60TI/60 Super class relative performance.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Totally agree that the prices are ridiculous but the 4070ti is on the TSMC 5nm+ node which is way more expensive than the 8nm Samsung node the 3000 series was on. The 4000 series cards have amazing performance and also incredbile performance/watt , TSMC does it again.

But the die is much smaller than the previous generation and GDDR6/GDDR6X costs have dropped significantly. Also because the power characteristics are better,the cost of the PCB,coolers,should cost less. Also if you look at my previous post in this thread,the RTX4070TI is more analogous to the RTX3060TI in relative shader count and memory bandwidth to the 90 series card of its generation. It also uses less GDDR6/GDDR6X chips too because of the smaller memory bus used too.

So basically the RTX4070TI is essentially an RTX3060/RTX3060TI replacement but priced at $800~$900 if you just look at it's actual positioning in the Nvidia line-up,looking at chip size,and relative amounts of shaders,etc.

The margins on these must be enormous.

Also,WRT to TSMC 5NM,there is far more capacity now as Apple has cut orders so that means TSMC is in a weaker position to dictate pricing IMHO.

 

[Cooper]

Garbage at $800 yes, should be $499 max.

Actually, I think a fair price for this, given there have been genuine cost increases in chip production, that were always going to be passed on to the consumer, since Ampere launched, $650 would be a fair & reasonable price, with the 4080 at $800.


The majority of people would have been willing to accept those prices, IMO....but what we have is Nvidia profiteering to an extortionate degree over & above any cost increases in production, simply because they're still salty at losing out on all those $$$ with scalped Ampere cards.

 

[Tommy_Here]

Pathetic card.. imagine if this did actually launch as a 4080 losing out to even the standard 3090 at times.. haha what a joke of a card I hope it just sits on shelves

 

[Haz123]

But the die is much smaller than the previous generation and GDDR6/GDDR6X costs have dropped significantly. Also because the power characteristics are better,the cost of the PCB,coolers,should cost less.

I agree. Nvidia and AMD are effectively price fixing and profiteering but if we keep buying at these prices they will keep selling them at these prices. AMD and Nv are not a charity and are out to maximize profits and only market forces will make them drop prices. We saw with the entire 2080 generation that Nv will keep prices high and only sell limited amounts, they are very stubborn.

 

[oviano]

I'm pleasantly surprised that there now would appear to be a dual slot 4-series air-cooled option in the Inno3D X3.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I agree. Nvidia and AMD are effectively price fixing and profiteering but if we keep buying at these prices they will keep selling them at these prices. AMD and Nv are not a charity and are out to maximize profits and only market forces will make them drop prices. We saw with the entire 2080 generation that Nv will keep prices high and only sell limited amounts, they are very stubborn.

The only way to force pricing is not to buy. But the market is starting to react:

Desktop GPU Sales Hit 20-Year Low

The industry shipped 42 percent fewer discrete GPUs than a year prior.

www.tomshardware.com

We are also seeing price drops with CPUs for the same reason. These greedy companies thought the Pandemic period where many started working from home,companies updated their servers and people couldn't go out would last when it was a transient period. Even gaming revenue is dropping:

Gaming Revenue Is Down Despite an Increase in Players

Newzoo charts how and where most of the world’s gaming is happening in 2022.

www.pcmag.com

It's quite clear many purchases were pushed forward,and as the world opens up people are now spending what disposable income they have on travelling and other things they used to do before the Pandemic messed up things. On top of this there is inflation,and especially energy and food inflation(due to lack of longterm planning WRT to energy security and food security) so that further reduces people's disposable income on top of general interest rate increases!

 

[uscool]

performance seems to hold up just crappy pricing

 

[RavenXXX2]

Falls back at 4k, if I'm spending over £800 on a GPU it's for 4K. And the 12GB Vram is measly.

 

[uscool]

Falls back at 4k, if I'm spending over £800 on a GPU it's for 4K. And the 12GB Vram is measly.

stil close I wouldnt buy this for 4K anyway and dont forget it uses less power I aint got issue of its performance and uplift from last its the pricing for 70 tier card I have an issue with

its a shame we actually have really good cards but stupidly priced from both AMD and Nvidia

 

[Darujhistan]

The reality:
1. 3080 was a £700+ card at release. A tiny proportion of people were able to get it at £650 until at least 1+ year later.
2. We've had 15+% inflation in the last 2 years.
3. We've lost nearly 10% £/$
4. Some people don't count power efficiency as an improvement.

You add up all the above and what a surprise, you come out with this exact price for a 3rd tier card.

This card looks like its going to be 20% faster than a 3080 at 2K and use >10% less power. So a 1 third improvement over the 3080. We were 'promised' a 50% Pascal-like improvement by the leakers. Yeah, its a disappointment. But most of the posters in this thread seem out of touch with post inflation reality.

There's a lot of NV Copium in this thread, so that accounts for a lot of the delusion. The 60 card now nearly costs 3x what it did last time.

So far this gen has been a disaster for gamers, not impressed by what either side have brought to the table, and the pricing is just ridiculous. The real story is is the continued "tiering up" of prices per class.

It won't be long before the potatoe (and I don't say that to disparage people who game at the low-end either) class cards will be £500.

 

[SpellowHouse]

..So far this gen has been a disaster for gamers..

We thought that now the miners had gone, the pandemic was over, FINALLY some sense would return to the market, and instead we have total chaos, worse than I have ever seen it. Such a disappointing shame.

 

[Jay85]

GN absolutely ripped it a new one, there is no coming back from that sort of ripping .

DOA