What do you think of the 4070Ti?

[silvagti]

Your dilemma seems small compared to my dilemma...... I have a GTX1070 just about running on my 27" 1440p G-Sync monitor. I was going to upgrade to an RTX 3070/80, but mining etc made me decide to wait. I waited patiently, and the mining industry ended. We now have a graphics card, the RTX4070Ti which seems to offer a substantial upgrade over my existing card and would seem to not require me to upgrade my 650W platinum rated PSU. I keep reading that I should not buy this card, but it seems to tick all the boxes despite costing a couple of hundred quid more than I would like to spend or think it's really worth. I could easily afford a 4090, but I always look for value for money, price/performance ratio etc. Do I buy, or continue waiting ?

I kind of feel the same way. Currenly have a Geforce 980. Have waited ages (too long really) to upgrade, skipped the 3000 series due to supply issues. For gaming at 1440p this still looks like a great option. Granted it's overpriced compared to the launch RRP of the 3080 but for ~£800 it still seems to be the price/performance sweet spot of the 4000 series range and worth the extra expense over a 3080?

Seems like a much better option for those of us upgrading from 900/1000/2000 series hardware than spending the extra for a 4080/4090? If I were buying a GPU it's probably what I'd go for so I don't blame you for considering it. Kind of a shame there's no founders edition though.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

amds architecture is more complex than nvidias they rely on simd units and vectorized instructions to maximize utilization and performance.. i havent really read a lot abt it just skimmed through few white papers.. someone with a better handle should be able to provide more clarity on whats really going on.. i remember reading somewhere that 5700xt got rid of wave64 because the batch was too large for optimal utilization, then i skimmed through another article which did some tests and concluded that the 7900xtx is actually working at half the advertised tflops and then they theorized abt wave 32/64 modes

It is why the performance increase over the RX6950XT is less than expected. The halved TFLOPS figures seem more in line with the rasterised performance increase we saw. Maybe they should have stuck with RDNA2 when trialing chiplets.

 

[Besty]

Well, not quite. As you say, the RX 7900 XT is still a bit more expensive.

The Sapphire 7900XT is on discount today, there's only 100 in it. Tomorrow, maybe more but it depends on if the sale continues.

 

[TNA]

The Sapphire 7900XT is on discount today, there's only 100 in it. Tomorrow, maybe more but it depends on if the sale continues.

£599 by any chance? If so I will order one

 

[BigBANGtheory]

£599 is where it should be imho, even accounting for inflation

 

[VortexA1]

I kind of feel the same way. Currenly have a Geforce 980. Have waited ages (too long really) to upgrade, skipped the 3000 series due to supply issues. For gaming at 1440p this still looks like a great option. Granted it's overpriced compared to the launch RRP of the 3080 but for ~£800 it still seems to be the price/performance sweet spot of the 4000 series range and worth the extra expense over a 3080?

Seems like a much better option for those of us upgrading from 900/1000/2000 series hardware than spending the extra for a 4080/4090? If I were buying a GPU it's probably what I'd go for so I don't blame you for considering it. Kind of a shame there's no founders edition though.

I have been waiting for a 3080 ti, its not easy for me to find one that fits into my case. The last one was on the members market and it's size was the maximum my case can take without taking fans out. Literally no mm to spare .

A: the 4070ti are smaller, produce less heat and less watts so I can comfortably use my 750w power supply with my case, plus the added advantage of being brand new with full warranty
I also have the latest dss with frame insertion.

If I went with a 3080 ti,I would have difficulties getting one to fit, brand new more expensive. And I would have potentially power supply issues . I don't want to pay £1200+ plus size constraints on a 4080.

This desire is on hold as have other pleasures ATM.

 

[silvagti]

I don’t feel that the 4070ti is a bad card compared to the other 4000 cards or AMD equivalents.

From what I’ve seen the only issues with it are it’s a 70 series which cost more than the previous 3080 series GPU did at launch which is a fair comment I suppose but you can only really compare it to what other cards cost in 2023.

The other complaint is that it doesn’t offer value because a 4080/4090 are faster enough to justify the extra cost. Again it depends if you need the extra performance and are comfortable spending another £400-800 on a video card ! I suspect for many people £800 for a 4070ti is already towards the upper limits of what they’re willing to spend in order to play the latest games!

 

[TNA]

I don’t feel that the 4070ti is a bad card compared to the other 4000 cards or AMD equivalents.

From what I’ve seen the only issues with it are it’s a 70 series which cost less than the previous 80 series GPU which is a fair comment I suppose but you can only really compare it to what other cards cost in 2023.

The other complaint is that it doesn’t offer value because a 4080/4090 are faster enough to justify the extra cost. Again it depends if you need the extra performance and are comfortable spending another £400-800 on a video card ! I suspect for many people £800 for a 4070ti is already towards the upper limits of what they’re willing to spend in order to play the latest games!

Dude. I got a 3080 FE which worked out under £600 after selling the codes that came with it over 2 years ago.

After all that time they seem to want around £900 for a 4070 Ti which is barely any better. It's a terrible card, period.

 

[VortexA1]

Dude. I got a 3080 FE which worked out under £600 after selling the codes that came with it over 2 years ago.

After all that time they seem to want around £900 for a 4070 Ti which is barely any better. It's a terrible card, period.

I wonder if theyll put frame generation dlss on the 3 series,
unfortunately not. You can go less than £900 -but I get your point.

 

[TNA]

I wonder if theyll put frame generation dlss on the 3 series,
unfortunately not.

Probably not. Not too bothered about it to be honest.

 

[VortexA1]

Probably not. Not too bothered about it to be honest.

I might be feeling the same as you mate but I am not entirely happy with my 3070, if I had a 3080ti that fitted and bought that I might be thinking differently.

 

[silvagti]

Dude. I got a 3080 FE which worked out under £600 after selling the codes that came with it over 2 years ago.

After all that time they seem to want around £900 for a 4070 Ti which is barely any better. It's a terrible card, period.

You can certainly argue it's expensive and disappointing compared to a 3080 bought at launch 2 years ago and I wound't necessarily disagree. Though that card was basically impossible to buy at the RRP any time since it launched.

At the end of the day you can only judge it against what else you can buy just now on the market. Is there anything else for the £800 right now in 2023 which offers better value/performance/features for the money?

 

[mikeo]

Glad I did not wait for the 4070ti and bought my 3080 at pretty close to RRP a couple of months back.

This is starting to get a very expensive hobby!

 

[eddyr]

Is there anything else for the £800 right now in 2023 which offers better value/performance/features for the money?

That's the way they play you, its why they release in the order and time frames they do.
Better value/performance comes later - though they will no doubt try to alter the stack into a linear price/performance as best they can.

 

[decto]

I might be feeling the same as you mate but I am not entirely happy with my 3070, if I had a 3080ti that fitted and bought that I might be thinking differently.

If you were already looking at spending 3080TI money at the end of the lifecycle, even if used, then no shame in buying a 4070 TI.
4070 TI is faster, lower power and comes with warranty vs the 3080 TI which was another Nvida cash grab.

I'd like a bit more than my current 3070 for VR, but I really don't put enough hours into gaming on PC these days to justify the likely £600 upgrade this generation.

 

[RavenXXX2]

 

[silvagti]

That's the way they play you, its why they release in the order and time frames they do.
Better value/performance comes later - though they will no doubt try to alter the stack into a linear price/performance as best they can.

Yeah, but realistically what are the options for someone who wants to buy a GPU right now. AMD aren't selling a cheaper card with better performance and 3000 series card are still selling for high prices on the used/net market so Nvidia are free to charge what the market will pay?

The only other option, which is what I'm currently doing, is to stick with console gaming on PS5/Xbox Series X which can be had for ~£500

 

[Besty]

£599 is where it should be imho, even accounting for inflation

7900XT ? no, its not that type of design to hit 599 GBP. It (7900XT) was never designed to hit that type of price target, it was designed to take the chips that don't make the grade for the 7900XTX but the actual reference PCB card, bus and Vram specification puts in a tight spot bill-of-materials wise to cut retail price toe-to-toe with the 4070ti.

The problem is that the regular Joe's don't know what they are buying, they just see the Nvidia badge and DLSS 3.0 sprayed on a box.

The 4070ti design, allows it to be a cheap card.

Here is a near reference 4070ti PNY, it has 9+2 PCB phases (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pny-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-oc/4.html). This is roughly in line with the PCB quality of the 2070 Super which, had a 256bit bus width and 8GB Vram.

The 4070ti has 12GB Vram with a 192bit bus that permanently cripples the card.



This is a reference 7900XT, look at the quality of the engineering in comparison to the PNY 4070ti, it has 14+3 phases with 70 amp rated components.

The 6800XT was 12+3, the 6900XT was 16+3, so its somewhere between the two in terms of PCB but the 7900XT has 20gb vram and 384-bit bus.



In terms of historical context, one of the best made cards I ever handled was an EVGA 1080 Classified, that card had 14+3 phases with a 256bit bus, it weighed a ton, had dual fans and cost 700 USD in 2016. That is about 750 GBP inc. Vat now. That is the level of engineering that the 7900XT reference PCB has.

Therefore, the 'real' price for the 7900XT reference is probably somewhere between 700-800 GBP inc Vat. The real price for the 4070ti reference should be in the 450-500 GBP range, maybe lower, they are just two different cards at an *engineering* level, regardless of what the graphs say. The 7900XT is just a class above the 4070ti.

 

[decto]

7900XT ? no, its not that type of design to hit 599 GBP. It (7900XT) was never designed to hit that type of price target, it was designed to take the chips that don't make the grade for the 7900XTX but the actual reference PCB card, bus and Vram specification puts in a tight spot bill-of-materials wise to cut retail price toe-to-toe with the 4070ti.

The problem is that the regular Joe's don't know what they are buying, they just see the Nvidia badge and DLSS 3.0 sprayed on a box.

The 4070ti design, allows it to be a cheap card.

Here is a near reference 4070ti PNY, it has 9+2 PCB phases (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pny-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-oc/4.html). This is roughly in line with the PCB quality of the 2070 Super which, had a 256bit bus width and 8GB Vram.

The 4070ti has 12GB Vram with a 192bit bus that permanently cripples the card.



This is a reference 7900XT, look at the quality of the engineering in comparison to the PNY 4070ti, it has 14+3 phases with 70 amp rated components.

The 6800XT was 12+3, the 6900XT was 16+3, so its somewhere between the two in terms of PCB but the 7900XT has 20gb vram and 384-bit bus.



In terms of historical context, one of the best made cards I ever handled was an EVGA 1080 Classified, that card had 14+3 phases with a 256bit bus, it weighed a ton, had dual fans and cost 700 USD in 2016. That is about 750 GBP inc. Vat now. That is the level of engineering that the 7900XT reference PCB has.

Therefore, the 'real' price for the 7900XT reference is probably somewhere between 700-800 GBP inc Vat. The real price for the 4070ti reference should be in the 450-500 GBP range, maybe lower, they are just two different cards at an *engineering* level, regardless of what the graphs say. The 7900XT is just a class above the 4070ti.

While I'd agree the 4070 TI should have been a $499 4060 TI, slapping $20 of extra 2c components onto a large PCB doesn't 'engineer' an 700-800 GBP inc Vat card.

 

[lsg1r]

Your dilemma seems small compared to my dilemma...... I have a GTX1070 just about running on my 27" 1440p G-Sync monitor. I was going to upgrade to an RTX 3070/80, but mining etc made me decide to wait. I waited patiently, and the mining industry ended. We now have a graphics card, the RTX4070Ti which seems to offer a substantial upgrade over my existing card and would seem to not require me to upgrade my 650W platinum rated PSU. I keep reading that I should not buy this card, but it seems to tick all the boxes despite costing a couple of hundred quid more than I would like to spend or think it's really worth. I could easily afford a 4090, but I always look for value for money, price/performance ratio etc. Do I buy, or continue waiting ?

You're in a similar boat to a lot of us...I'm on a 1060 6GB, wanting to upgrade the GPU and my display (no point without a new gpu) but I just can't bring myself to pay for the 4080 (good match to my 5950x) at over £1200+ when I could get (and I can afford it) a 4090 for £1600 with considerably more performance per £.

There is nothing inherently wrong with the 4070ti but the price is considerably out of whack for the 'level' of the card in the product stack, the 4080 is even worse 'value for money'..... they fit perfectly in nvidia's 'linear pricing' but we're gamers not crypto miners or scalpers and no 4080 should be over £1000 and the 4070ti should in no way cost £800+, or more accurately £900+