12GB is going to be the new 10GB in 2023
Already is, Portal RTX requires over 12gb vram
4070ti just launched and Nvidia is already trying to kill it
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Already is, Portal RTX requires over 12gb vram
4070ti just launched and Nvidia is already trying to kill it
They want people to buy the RTX 4080. If the RTX 4070 TI had 16GB it might put some people off the 4080.
16GB is really a top teir amount of VRAM. Basically useless at 1440p.
GDDR6 is cheaper so it's a bit different for AMD.
I would like Nvidia to release cards with GDDR6 variants too, especially since the bandwidth is nearly the same as GDDR6X now.
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Not sure about anyone else, but I personally wish it had 10GB
at what resolution ?
Nice analysis, as you’ve discovered it’s completely wasted on our green friends.7900XT ? no, its not that type of design to hit 599 GBP. It (7900XT) was never designed to hit that type of price target, it was designed to take the chips that don't make the grade for the 7900XTX but the actual reference PCB card, bus and Vram specification puts in a tight spot bill-of-materials wise to cut retail price toe-to-toe with the 4070ti.
The problem is that the regular Joe's don't know what they are buying, they just see the Nvidia badge and DLSS 3.0 sprayed on a box.
The 4070ti design, allows it to be a cheap card.
Here is a near reference 4070ti PNY, it has 9+2 PCB phases (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/pny-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-oc/4.html). This is roughly in line with the PCB quality of the 2070 Super which, had a 256bit bus width and 8GB Vram.
The 4070ti has 12GB Vram with a 192bit bus that permanently cripples the card.
This is a reference 7900XT, look at the quality of the engineering in comparison to the PNY 4070ti, it has 14+3 phases with 70 amp rated components.
The 6800XT was 12+3, the 6900XT was 16+3, so its somewhere between the two in terms of PCB but the 7900XT has 20gb vram and 384-bit bus.
In terms of historical context, one of the best made cards I ever handled was an EVGA 1080 Classified, that card had 14+3 phases with a 256bit bus, it weighed a ton, had dual fans and cost 700 USD in 2016. That is about 750 GBP inc. Vat now. That is the level of engineering that the 7900XT reference PCB has.
Therefore, the 'real' price for the 7900XT reference is probably somewhere between 700-800 GBP inc Vat. The real price for the 4070ti reference should be in the 450-500 GBP range, maybe lower, they are just two different cards at an *engineering* level, regardless of what the graphs say. The 7900XT is just a class above the 4070ti.
Nice analysis, as you’ve discovered it’s completely wasted on our green friends.
Because ultimately in the end none of it really matters. Price and performance in games is what counts. The above is just a bonus.
AMD told us the 7900XTX is an 80 competitor and traditionally 80 products sell in the 600-700 range so I think £800 would be about right for this card and around the same for the 4080.
The 7900XT performs closer to Nvidias 70 class which sit in the 450-550 bracket, the 6800 beat Nvidia's 3070ti and had an msrp of around £550 so I think £600 this time would be a fair price for the 7900XT while £550 should be the price for the 4070ti.
His post was pointless because the PCB doesn’t matter as much as performance. But your response is quite a lot if tripe really because none of the features you mention really matter either, or are just wrong, or AMD have equivalents.
I’m not defending the 7900 XT or attacking the 4070Ti, just your appallingly poor assessment of the reality.
You can buy replacement fans cheap from China or even just deshroud and strap a couple of arctic P12s. On a GPU a failed cooler is the least of your worries.
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And power too.. and sometimes water
The problem is buying something like a used 3080 still costs around £600. I thing we’d all accept that the 4070ti is a slightly faster, more efficient and better featured card. so unless you can buy a 3060 for £200-300 or something substantially cheaper than a 3080/4070ti from what I can see there aren’t really any better options.
I do accept we’re being screwed for what a couple of years ago would be a £500 card but we can only go with the options we have just now in 2023!
My choice these past few years has been to Game on console as I don’t particularly want to spend £1000 on a GPU! However for some people that’s not an option depending on the games/apps they want to run. You can say just don’t buy it but many will have put off or been unable to buy a GPU this past generation and are still running older hardware that is no longer minimum spec for modern apps.
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Got my 3080 Ti from a reputable member here for £575 a few months ago and it has over two years warranty. I am happy with that personally and will just skip a gen.
Hopefully Lisa and Jensen price their cards more sensibly next gen. A tiny 4070 Ti GPU has no place to command around £900. And I use that figure because if you go look now on a few sites that seems to be the avarage price as cheaper ones sold out.
A 3090 went on MM for £600 yesterday which is around the same 4k perf as a 4070ti with double the VRAM.
Without frame generation, which does seem to be worthwhile.
I personally wouldn't pay £250 extra for half the VRAM + frame generation, how many games currently use FG?
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Meh. I don't think that will be worthwhile until next gen. Right now it has teething issues like DLSS did on release.
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We were told this was absolutely fine a few months ago.. even on high end displays!!
FG is the new RT buzzword.
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If you have just bought a vega the advice is to stop buying stuff without a plan. There has been plenty of opportunities in the past two years to offload old hardware while it was easy money to offset a new gpu.
Nope, this was definitely something I planned, as a stopgap to play at 1080p (only cost £140). I'm going to sell it on anyway.
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