A road with two lanes for each direction of travel is not a dual carriageway. A dual carriageway is defined by having a central reservation separating the two directions of travel.
What does this road sign mean.....
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A road with two lanes for each direction of travel is not a dual carriageway. A dual carriageway is defined by having a central reservation separating the two directions of travel.
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...to you in terms of speed limit, when you're driving a car on a single carriage country road for example?
Ramming speed !!!
According to the Highway Code, it's NSL, so 70mph.
https://www.learnerdriving.com/learn-to-drive/highway-code/road-signs
https://www.learnerdriving.com/learn-to-drive/highway-code/road-signs
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I recently went on a speed awareness course. At one point they flashed up the NSL sign and asked what the speed limit was if we saw that sign on a single carriageway. I'd say about 75% of the room said 40 mph!
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Drop down a gear or two and nail it.
On a single carriageway road? No it isn't.
NSL is variable depending on the road classification. It's 60, or 70 if a dual carriageway.
(This is the main distinction to remember, there's others though).
I despair.
It means drive safely up to a limit of 60mph until the next limiting sign. Sometimes 60mph (plus) would be safe and it is safer to drive at that speed. Sometimes 60mph would not be safe and driving at a speed that is safe for the road and conditions is a better option than gunning it. It does not mean go as fast as you like which I told a driving instructor once when they asked what it meant.
Clearly this is the best road sign - bonus points for anyone who can actually get their car to produce those skid marks..This sign though it the best one!
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Someone where I work drives at 45 literally everywhere. If I made the error of leaving just after him I had a horrible journey home.
Basically 20 miles with some villages and town driving at start and end with NSL in between.
If I followed the speed limits he would initally disappear in the 30 limit, I would catch him before the first village but with no safe overtaking. He would then drive away from me again and by the time I got out of the village and caught him up I would miss the best overtaking spot on the 20 mile journey, rinse repeat a few times and I would get to my home town.
In the end I worked out a few extra overtaking spots based on the fact he would never go above 45, means i could drop back and come round bends at 65 perfectly timed to zip past him or slow down if there was traffic in the other direction. The fact he was utterly predictable made this possible.
The most annoying are the ones who do 40-45 when they could do 60, then as soon as there is any kind of straight line they do 65+ By far the worst for this are Range rovers. There is a prep school on my way to work, and quite frequently range rovers are about dropping them off, cant go round corners but have some decent poke in a straight line.
We all make decisions on the safe speed for a road, imo people who say its safe to do 60 but cant understand others may make a different decision are just as bad as those who go slow.
I always stick to the rule of never go round a corner faster than you can see you having stopping distance for. The number of people who get annoyed so they sit right on your bumper because they can technically go round faster seriously annoy me. Yes I could also go round faster, but if there was a broken down dust cart just round the corner I would prefer not to drive straight into the back of it
Basically 20 miles with some villages and town driving at start and end with NSL in between.
If I followed the speed limits he would initally disappear in the 30 limit, I would catch him before the first village but with no safe overtaking. He would then drive away from me again and by the time I got out of the village and caught him up I would miss the best overtaking spot on the 20 mile journey, rinse repeat a few times and I would get to my home town.
In the end I worked out a few extra overtaking spots based on the fact he would never go above 45, means i could drop back and come round bends at 65 perfectly timed to zip past him or slow down if there was traffic in the other direction. The fact he was utterly predictable made this possible.
The most annoying are the ones who do 40-45 when they could do 60, then as soon as there is any kind of straight line they do 65+ By far the worst for this are Range rovers. There is a prep school on my way to work, and quite frequently range rovers are about dropping them off, cant go round corners but have some decent poke in a straight line.
We all make decisions on the safe speed for a road, imo people who say its safe to do 60 but cant understand others may make a different decision are just as bad as those who go slow.
I always stick to the rule of never go round a corner faster than you can see you having stopping distance for. The number of people who get annoyed so they sit right on your bumper because they can technically go round faster seriously annoy me. Yes I could also go round faster, but if there was a broken down dust cart just round the corner I would prefer not to drive straight into the back of it
Ummmm
But on dual carriageway it is. So we're both right.
lol, no. The OP (again) states the criteria, you got it wrong, suck it up
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Its a NSL sign, which to me means, 70 on a dual carriageway, motorway, but 60 on a single carriageway
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I wonder how many folk quoting the old "its a limit not a target" have had their daily commute on nice a roads where its completely safe to do a solid 60 the whole way blocked and delayed every single day by some bugger doing 40 and holding up a string of traffic a mile long.
Theres being safe and confident. Then theres enraging 100+ people on a daily basis during rush hour for no good reason.
Theres being safe and confident. Then theres enraging 100+ people on a daily basis during rush hour for no good reason.
The national speed limit sign does not mean 60 or 70.. it means there is no restriction with the max being the designated max for the specific type of vehicle you are driving and the specific type of road you are on.. it is also means that 60 or 70 or 50 is the max speed subject to prevailing conditions and if it is safe to do so etc..
There are plenty of roads out there where driving at the legal max would be down right dangerous... remember... most fatal accidents happen on unrestricted country roads, probably caused by those who assume that sign means 60 or 70!
There are plenty of roads out there where driving at the legal max would be down right dangerous... remember... most fatal accidents happen on unrestricted country roads, probably caused by those who assume that sign means 60 or 70!
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