So now it's the best Starwars ever with flaws ?
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So now it's the best Starwars ever with flaws ?
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All movie has flaws if you look for it.
All Star Wars Movie has flaws.
It is the best Star Wars movie.
Is that too hard to understand?
All movie has flaws if you look for it.
All Star Wars Movie has flaws.
It is the best Star Wars movie.
Is that too hard to understand?
It's not though...I struggle to even work out remotely why you would post this other than to troll TBH...
Tell me why it's the best ...voice your opinion on why it's the best ?
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It's not though...I struggle to even work out remotely why you would post this other than to troll TBH...
Because I think it is.
Ep 4 has terrible acting from the leads. The start is incredibly slow in terms of pacing. The Lightsabre fight between Obi Wan and Vader is like 2 pensioner hitting each other with bread sticks. The stormtrooper can't shoot fish in a barrel, i could go on.
Empire is the best or the original, no question, it is the most coherent movie of the 3, however apart from that part the movie is fairly slow after the initial battle in the opening scene, its the twist that makes it. It has the best emotional impact along with Solo getting frozen.
Jedi is too happy happy, the Ework, love them as you might, can't imagine them defeating a division of battalion with lasers and armed vehicles with sticks and stones, which by the way, were wearing armour and helmet ! The middle section is slow as anything.
Awaken is good as even purely from an entertainment point of view I did not look at my watch once in the duration. That is a sign of a movie keeping me entertained. The acting was solid, Daisy Ridley is another league ahead of acting compare to Hamill and Chirstiansen. There were the right amount of humour, the FX was solid and real, the universe look and feel real, it looks grounded unlike the prequel.
I could go on but clearly you don't like it so I won't bother.
If you were alive and old enough... I'll bet you never said that in 77. I certainly could never recall hearing people saying this in the late 80s when I first saw it.
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I am not trashing the special FX, I am putting down the acting, which is timeless.
Mark Hamill's acting in Ep4 is not good, he got better later on but there are scenes in Ep4 is on par with Christiansen.
The Stormtroopers can't shoot, the bit with Luke and Leia before they swing over that gap....it makes me laugh.
Your first points are vacuous...but you do know the Jedi and the Ewok is a social commentary about the American invasion of Vietnam?
The Americans arrived with choppers and guns and bombs and couldn't penetrate the Vietnam defence and ultimately lost the war?
Boobie traps...underground villages and wit beat the American onslaught attempts with high tech ordnance.
No mention of story of character development ? It's all technique and visuals ?
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I don't care about it's comment about Vietnam, Vietnam don't have cutesy teddy bears ! This is from the dark turn in plot in Empire, all of the sudden a change of pace to putting teddy bears to fight Stormtroopers, social commentary or not, it is out of place. They could have at least landed in the planet where Chewy was from.
Even if I let that slide, Awaken is a better movie than Jedi.
So that brings me to "character development".
Rey - her journey, make no bones about it, mimic Lukes, except she can act much better than Hamill which makes me buy into her story a lot more. The movie started with her salvaging parts for food, fighting alone in a desert and waiting for her parents to come back, it is a lonely existence and then the movies takes us on her journey from discovering the truth about the past and the force and to how she found a family, and at the end, and no doubt, her Jedi Master to train her.
Fin - It is a new character in the Star Wars universe, we never got to see a stormtrooper before in Star Wars movies. They are either robots or clones with no personality. This time we got to see one from the other point of view, we got to see his struggles with his orders, the pain he feels and how he wants to escape it. He did everything to get away from that life but his friendship with Rey is the bond that pulled him back into the fight. The two leads held the movie together from beginning to the end.
Ren - in the space of 1 film we got to know about where he came from more than Vader did in 3 movies. You can see in his eyes how he is torn between the light and the dark. You can see how he is trying to fulfil his master's ideology to the dark side.
Solo - Harrison Ford is back, not just collecting a paycheque but did his best performance as Solo. He is Han Solo, from the lines to performance, he is just older.
Fin - It is a new character in the Star Wars universe, we never got to see a stormtrooper before in Star Wars movies. They are either robots or clones with no personality. This time we got to see one from the other point of view, we got to see his struggles with his orders, the pain he feels and how he wants to escape it. He did everything to get away from that life but his friendship with Rey is the bond that pulled him back into the fight. The two leads held the movie together from beginning to the end.
Ren - in the space of 1 film we got to know about where he came from more than Vader did in 3 movies. You can see in his eyes how he is torn between the light and the dark. You can see how he is trying to fulfil his master's ideology to the dark side.
Solo - Harrison Ford is back, not just collecting a paycheque but did his best performance as Solo. He is Han Solo, from the lines to performance, he is just older.
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Read the other post because you jump to more conclusions, again.
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Star Wars: The Force Awakens - 7.5/10 - Good stuff. I'm not really a Star Wars fan but I enjoyed it. I think Boyega was amazing as Finn would like to see how his journey will pan out. I gotta say I'm not sure I understand the instant Jedi thing and I get why that bother some people but other than that it was pretty solid.
It is a real shame the same happens with the Christopher Reeve films. Or really any of most of the old films back then. Todays generation rips it apart something rotten. Yet I've saw all the old documentary clips that took place before I was born how no such thing existed in Hollywood. The majority of the people in the 70s were ecstatic.
I've been watching the Sky Star Wars HD channel the last few nights as well as the long documentaries. Fascinating how tight things were, from budgets to all the hurdles, troubles with the models to the costumes to the sets and ships. You name it. Whatever was never done before they ran into so many problems that was eating into deadlines. They said because of Star Wars it made Hollywood and movies cool again. Personally I never knew Hollywood was going through bad times back then.
All these numerous documentaries they said because no such thing ever happened in film making the audiences in the late 70s were standing applauding the very end. As if it was live theatre.
It certainly appeared or gave the impression people back then had more admiration and respect for films compared to today. Where we just take it for granted with IMDb and such ripping it apart until nothing is left.
I'm sure in another 30 - 40 years, The Force Awakens and such will suffer the same brutal criticism of the web if not worse when that day arrives.
I always think back to the stories of my uncles and such telling me the days of films like The War of the Words, The Day of the Triffids etc when films back then that was all available at the time. Even in the Star Wars documentaries Lucas spoke how there was no CGI and it was such a breakthrough for him in 1999. I remember hearing the same for Jurassic Park for 93.
Personally I still find it extremely fascinating seeing how they done it with all the old models/model sets and cities/landscapes and stop and go motion. Compared to todays technology. Apart from the animation, something seems more appealing with models than all the green screens nowadays.
Heck it was even so amusing one of the directors got snowed into his hotel. The Empire Strikes Back was getting shot at that time, so the entire crew came out to him and they shot from the hotel front door/car park with all the thick snow pathways laid out. Who would have thought.
It was his first major blockbuster as it said in the documentaries they became household names overnight. Mark and co never expected it to go the way that it did. Let alone there was no merchandising. No Star Wars toys available for Christmas that was how big and unexpected it was.
This too was in the documentaries. They had to do the stunts themselves. Let alone the problems with the trooper suits amongst others. Some people couldn't walk in them or stand correctly.
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But it doesn't take away the acting from Hamill.
Note, it's not the visual, not the FX, not the sound, editing, or story anything but just acting.
Being an unexpected hit is not a reason but below average acting. There are plenty of movies that has great acting but relatively unknown before, also some of the dialogue too wasn't that great either.