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What is considered too excessive betting/gambling?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Bassmansam, Mar 30, 2017.

  1. Deus Ex

    Hitman

    Joined: Aug 22, 2013

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    Location: North East

    As someone who owns shares in gambling firms, I thank you for your cash, it paid for parts of university.
     
  2. Suicidal Ferret

    Gangster

    Joined: Apr 6, 2011

    Posts: 362

    For many, it's an addiction, the money is irrelevant. It's the high of winning, of being right.

    I think the major problem is how easy it is to gamble these days. In days of old we only had 'the bookies', casinos were rare.
     
  3. bsoltan

    Mobster

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    Location: Milton Keynes

    Pay into your betting account by Paypal then it doesn't show as a gambling company on your statements.
     
  4. asim18

    Capodecina

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    The funniest thing about bookies are those ridiculous fake anti-gambling adverts where they put "FUN" in MASSIVE gold writing and everything else is tiny and black.


    You know the ones that look like this:

    When the FUN stops, stop.


    Here's an example: http://www.coral.co.uk/whenthefunstopsstop

    It's even funnier when it's in real bookies, because from far away all you can see is the word "FUN". :D:rolleyes:
     
  5. dowie

    Caporegime

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    #MindControl #NLP #conspiracy
     
  6. stuman

    Wise Guy

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    Why would a casino ban someone who has a load of their money?
     
  7. asim18

    Capodecina

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    Posts: 15,410


    Yes. You're absolutely right. A prime example is when they used psychological manipulation on women to get them smoking:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torches_of_Freedom


    Millions of small children grow up seeing the word "FUN" plastered across bookies windows, for goodness sake people. :(
     
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2017
  8. JetMars

    Gangster

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    Could you be anymore arrogant than you currently are? Almost sound like you are taking pleasure in exploiting other peoples weaknesses.
     
  9. Suicidal Ferret

    Gangster

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    Posts: 362

    He's upfront about it though :) and doesn't have the word FUN stamped on his forehead.
     
  10. dowie

    Caporegime

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    What does 'have a load of their money' have to do with anything?

    I've not said a casino bans people because they 'have a load of their money'.
     
  11. stuman

    Wise Guy

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    You said they ban winners when they detect them... the opposite is true.

    I miss quoted, chopped the relevant part.
     
  12. dowie

    Caporegime

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    You've not made use of the quote function at all.

    My post is only on the previous page yet you've misquoted me twice and haven't been able to read it in context - below is what I posted:

    When I'm talking about people winning and losing I'm not talking about a single hand or bet or a short session of hands, spins, bets, whatever... - I'm talking about people who actually win or lose overall. No a casino or bookie isn't usually going to ban you for winning a single hand or a single bet or being net positive through sheer luck over a short session, series of them.

    There are very few bookies that will want winning gamblers - Pinnacle is perhaps one of the exceptions. Ditto to Casinos, if you try any form of play that gives you an edge over the house then you can often be banned when detected.

    Please quote me properly and read things in context - the opposite, as you stated, is generally not true. No Casino wants a player that has an edge over them.
     
  13. del_piero

    Gangster

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    +1
     
  14. stuman

    Wise Guy

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    You didn't talk about getting an edge over the casino. You talked about a "winner" not a cheater.

    Winners, are very much allowed. Even over long periods of time. As long as its without engineering an edge over the house. Winning over a long period of time may trigger further investigation.
     
  15. dowie

    Caporegime

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    I'm not talking about cheating.

    Can you explain how you can win over long periods of time without an edge? What casino game allows for that?

    Generally winners don't exist without an edge - exceptions perhaps being outlier events like someone winning an accumulator bet or slot machine jackpot or perhaps someone who has only recently started gambling.
     
  16. stuman

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    All casino games allow for it in luck.

    if by for long periods of time you mean indefinitely, sure, everybody will be a loser. However, given the right string of luck, and style of play etc you can ahead for long periods, even years.

    it will however trigger investigation to ensure that no engineered edge is in play.

    i would say that these outlier events happen more often than cheating.
     
  17. dowie

    Caporegime

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    Again no one is talking about cheating, though that claim is also doubtful.

    I didn't say 'indefinitely' - you stated: "Winners, are very much allowed. Even over long periods of time." this is rather a silly statement as to win over a long period of time (over say several thousand bets, spins etc.. unless you're subject to some outlier event as detailed before) requires an edge.

    Casinos and bookies don't like winners, they're perfectly happy with losing players who might have gotten lucky over the course of a particular session or won on some outlier event - an accumulator bet, a jackpot etc.. these players are still overall lifetime losers unless subject to some outlier event big enough to eclipse their lifetime losses.
     
  18. stuman

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    So, what you are saying, is if someone is winning over several thousand spins/bets, a casino/bookie will ban that person?

    if the casino/bookie has completed their due diligence and found the player is not cheating, they would cease the business relationship and remove all chance of regaining that persons winnings?
     
  19. dowie

    Caporegime

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    again we're not talking about cheating - you seem to be deliberately misreading what has been posted now

    "Winners get often get banned when detected"

    that was the quote - now we've clarified what I mean by a winning player, that I'm talking about overall winners not losers who are up for a session due to luck, yes they will cease or limit the business relationships.

    as for "remove all chance of regaining that persons winnings?" given we're talking about winning players and winning, in the long run, requires an edge then yes - most bookies will not want to carry on a relationship with people who have an edge against them (exceptions being say Pinnacle as they use sharp punters for price discovery) and to be a net winner against the house in a Casino generally requires advantage play or the repeated exploitation of offers neither of which they're going to take kindly to

    for example - lots of bookies post 'square' lines, someone who is good at handicapping, practices line shopping or simply compares to the pinnacle line, will be quite happy to place bets at these bookies... they'll quickly be banned or severely limited rather rapidly. Someone who card counts proficiently in black jack can often find themselves banned from the casino or at least from playing black jack.
     
  20. CaptainComedy

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    too much is when you do it because you can.

    when you can is subjective.

    I can gamble when I take a poo
    I can gamble after sexy time
    I can gamble in work
    I can gamble while I watch the latest episode of Dragon Ball Z

    If it is stopping you from doing these amazing activities, you are gambling too much..... Sen Pai