I'll also agree with the spend £1k and they're all pretty good aswell. Problem is that laptops have almost become a commodity item, so looks, price etc. are often more thought of than performance and ease of use. Goto a high street shop and take a look and actually play with the lappy's and see how many are pretty poor to use but look pretty smart.
What is it that makes people hate Apple so much?
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I realise that. And that is why I've always steered clear of Android. It was never any better than Windows Mobile (which I actually had and liked) in that respect (WM ran perfectly well on decent hardware with touchflo/sense over it). As a user that just wants a phone that works I've always steered clear of it due to those reasons.
Why struggle with a phone that is slow and choppy because it apparently has better hardware than the "slower" phone that runs another OS far more smoothly? I don't care that lots of phones have the same mid range hardware if I can do exactly the same stuff on it (browse the web, music, high quality games etc.) Nokia have just shown that even with "identical" hardware you can have a distinct range of phones, all looking totally different to each other (screen size, chassis size, camera quality, chassis shape), all running an OS as smooth as butter. There are about 10 different designs for WP phones selling at the moment, with four or five different screen sizes, all running an OS smoothly. I could probably count the number of Android phones doing the same on one hand (discounting any modding or ROMs etc)...
Yes, the geeks love to fiddle with ROMs and modify their software and firmware, most of the Android/smartphone users don't care one jot, they just want something that runs smoothly and looks nice. Hopefully with ISC that will finally happen on a wide range of phones.
I'm sure you did realise mate...however, the point was the carriers etc. love the fact they can mod the hell out of android and still run the apps. For me, it's the apps and the fact I can do a lot with free apps at that which attracts me. If I was in a better financial position, I *may* look at Apple, but it's a no-no at moment. Exactly the same reason I got a Galaxy Tab with 3G for £150 new.
I also feel you may be missing the cost option. Most people I know bought Android phones because they were a lot cheaper than iPhones. They may have wanted an iPhone, but could only justify a Galaxy Ace or summat
I also feel you may be missing the cost option. Most people I know bought Android phones because they were a lot cheaper than iPhones. They may have wanted an iPhone, but could only justify a Galaxy Ace or summat
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One other thing that irates me about iMacs. Minimizing and Maximizing applications. I tried double clicking the top bar and nothing happens.
It's so awkward
It's so awkward
Ive moved away from apple to a certain extent, ive used and supported apple products since around 97, and until a few weeks ago was using a mbp on an external monitor.
For some CAD work I needed something decent, so built a Windows 7 PC, ive always prefered Windows for certain things, like I find file management awkward through finder, and multitasking is easier with the taskbar vs the dock or exposé imo.
Add to this the windows 7 preview thingy when you hover over an icon makes it even better, though I wish it wouldnt snap to the window until I click the preview.
But from my experience with windows laptops I would choose a mbp just for the trackpad, but probably just install windows on it now.
As for mobiles, ive not had an iPhone since the 3GS, the OS was nice but being out in the sticks I need whatever chance I can get to get a signal and for that it was the worst phone ive ever had.
Now have a Galaxy Note, which was mostly for those times when people have a problem, its a convenient size for remote support from my pocket when I am out and about, and dont have to go back to the car for the laptop.
Its not as streamlined as ISO and feels a bit slow to respond to the physical button, then stupidly quick the rest of the time, but for me its a lot more useful than the iphone.
I hate the bashing of both MS and Apple, they make products just to do a job, no need to buy into some lifestyle etc.
For some CAD work I needed something decent, so built a Windows 7 PC, ive always prefered Windows for certain things, like I find file management awkward through finder, and multitasking is easier with the taskbar vs the dock or exposé imo.
Add to this the windows 7 preview thingy when you hover over an icon makes it even better, though I wish it wouldnt snap to the window until I click the preview.
But from my experience with windows laptops I would choose a mbp just for the trackpad, but probably just install windows on it now.
As for mobiles, ive not had an iPhone since the 3GS, the OS was nice but being out in the sticks I need whatever chance I can get to get a signal and for that it was the worst phone ive ever had.
Now have a Galaxy Note, which was mostly for those times when people have a problem, its a convenient size for remote support from my pocket when I am out and about, and dont have to go back to the car for the laptop.
Its not as streamlined as ISO and feels a bit slow to respond to the physical button, then stupidly quick the rest of the time, but for me its a lot more useful than the iphone.
I hate the bashing of both MS and Apple, they make products just to do a job, no need to buy into some lifestyle etc.
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The last paragraph was largely discussing the cost option.
Most people didn't go for Android just because it was Android, they went for it because they wanted a smartphone and it was the only option in their price range, even if it was/is clunky and not remotely smooth. Those users still want something that is smooth and just works, whether that be an iPhone, Windows Phone or an Android device that is actually smooth.Personally I don't give a **** what the carriers want, I'd prefer they keep their dirty mitts as far away from my phones software as possible (one of the other reasons I ended up getting a WP), just like I wipe any pre built windows computer and stick a fresh copy of windows on it!
As for the Apps argument, all smartphone platforms have plenty of free apps, it's not something I'd really contemplate as an issue now with either iOS, Android or WP. Yes some apps may only be available on some platforms but there are plenty of alternatives if you want to do the same thing.
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I'm confused about the comments about osx been a bad os. iOS/OSX is one of the best experiences ever and it's just because people are so used to a start menu on Windows.
At the end of the day it's an opinion, which OS people like but really does it matter. They all do the same. Access the Internet, use them for office e.t.c.
At the end of the day it's an opinion, which OS people like but really does it matter. They all do the same. Access the Internet, use them for office e.t.c.
It's not awkward, it's just not Windows. Given that Microsoft ripped off most aspects of the GUI from Xerox/Apple they had to do some things differently.
Remember, Apple launched the first mass-market computer with a graphical interface.
Your second paragraph contradicts the first paragraph a lot there.
The second paragraph is spot on, you suggest it's all down to the way you use the OS and the way you work, personal opinion.
The first paragraph appears to say the only reason people don't get on with OSX is because they are used to something else, which is wrong. There are plenty of people who would always go for Windows due to the way it works and the way they use an OS.
Apple ripped off the GUI from Xerox.
Microsoft figured if Apple ripped it off from Xerox then they could too.
Nice way to word history in Apple's favour
They are both as bad as each other in the ripping off stakes...
Apple ripped off the GUI from Xerox.
Microsoft figured if Apple ripped it off from Xerox then they could too.
Nice way to word history in Apple's favour
Did you miss the word Xerox in the post to which you were referring?
Did you miss the word Xerox in the post to which you were referring?
I'm sure he didn't, however the way you wrote it suggested that Apple and Xerox were working together and MS ripped off their design, rather than Xerox designing something then Apple and MS ripping it off..
That's incorrect. Xerox invited Apple to come and look at the work the PARC labs team had developed. There was a technology sharing deal signed where Xerox got some pre-floatation Apple stock. It was all above board.
Apple got ideas, rather than technology on a plate. Apple then licensed some elements to MS for Windows 1.0. MS then did further work and broke the agreement resulting in the big court case in the 90s.
Apple got ideas, rather than technology on a plate. Apple then licensed some elements to MS for Windows 1.0. MS then did further work and broke the agreement resulting in the big court case in the 90s.
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I haven't read the whole thread as it is too long, but in response to the OP:
I haven't really used modern a mac at all. I am sure they are good but nothing I want works on them as I am a gamer.
At my University staff are supposed to buy certain HP computers with a special version of Windows 7 that works on the network with network updates. You can just about get by with regular Windows 7 laptops. Macs are not supported with anything here - IT will tell you where to stick it if you ask for support with even simple tasks like being unable to use the network printer.
I am sure Apple Macs are good for use in the home, but in a business environment or for a gamer, no way. I also feel Apple products are extremely expensive.
Please note that I don't hate Apple as I feel Microsoft need some decent competition, but I won't be making the change anytime soon.
I haven't really used modern a mac at all. I am sure they are good but nothing I want works on them as I am a gamer.
At my University staff are supposed to buy certain HP computers with a special version of Windows 7 that works on the network with network updates. You can just about get by with regular Windows 7 laptops. Macs are not supported with anything here - IT will tell you where to stick it if you ask for support with even simple tasks like being unable to use the network printer.
I am sure Apple Macs are good for use in the home, but in a business environment or for a gamer, no way. I also feel Apple products are extremely expensive.
Please note that I don't hate Apple as I feel Microsoft need some decent competition, but I won't be making the change anytime soon.
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My whole point is it's an opinion. They are both good systems regardless of what people say.
The last paragraph was largely discussing the cost option.
Personally I don't give a **** what the carriers want, I'd prefer they keep their dirty mitts as far away from my phones software as possible (one of the other reasons I ended up getting a WP), just like I wipe any pre built windows computer and stick a fresh copy of windows on it!
As for the Apps argument, all smartphone platforms have plenty of free apps, it's not something I'd really contemplate as an issue now with either iOS, Android or WP. Yes some apps may only be available on some platforms but there are plenty of alternatives if you want to do the same thing.
Aye I agree, but the carriers still love it...you'll never get away from the fact they want to put there own stuff on there, and Android makes that simple. The free apps argument is probably not as good a point to make, but I made the jump to Android 2 years ago when Win 7 phone wasn't a real option (I could say it still isn't but that's another topic entirely, I argued long and hard that it was too late and Nokia were not the great saviour and everybody said they disagreed....Nokia's sales are rubbish, better than others but they shipped, not sold just over a million Lumias last quarter, in the same time that Samsung shipped over 20 times that on android) and iOS was the other option. The carriers only like iPhones because of the margin made on them (through whichever method, contract price or how many apps they shift that help them) not the fact they can't really customise them as much as they would like. Same as you remove the bloatware, lots of people will flash an android phone with a vanilla rom. Most people however don't bother jailbreaking their iPhones, it's a different mindset completely, part of the it just works ideology that Apple have deliberately marketed. I have no problem with either, I don't hate apple par se, just don't like some parts of their operations and the cost always seems prohibitive to me.
You need to keep in mind the majority of computer users have only used Windows, and not OS X or any Linux-based operating systems. That is what they have always been used to - if they feel they are forced to perform a task in a different way because they are using a different operating system with an unfamiliar GUI it's understandable it feels 'wrong' to them. That's been my personal experience from people I've shown OS X to who have never used anything except Windows before. I felt the same way the first time I tried OS X. It takes time to learn how to effectively use a new OS and become familiar with its interface - at which point you are (hopefully) in a position to make a reasonable judgement as to what is best for you.
It obviously sounds like you are someone speaking from experience using multiple OSes, so I can appreciate you have your own preferred OS that you feel most comfortable using. Personally, there are things Windows, Linux and Mac OS all do better than the others, but none of them are a perfect OS.
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