No it isn't. I'm interested in what reasons you have to come to this conclusion, however.
What is it that makes people hate Apple so much?
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No it isn't. I'm interested in what reasons you have to come to this conclusion, however.
I could be harsh and just say it's a BSD derivative...but I don't find OSX painful, however I don't find it any easier either. I really wouldn't use OSX as a reason to choose a pc of any sort over another as I still reckon Windows 7 has the edge, just from familiarity to millions of users.
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You do end up picking sides,
i've now gone completely apple and to be honest can't see me changing, here's why.
Apple iMac 4 years old still going strong. in 4 years i now have lots of apple software and have it the way i like it.
if i buy a new one, time machine = it will be set up like i like it.
iPhone, owned all of them between the wife and i.
lots of apps purchased now, work on all new iDevices would cost me a lot to set up an android phone from scratch.
I can see that there are better computers and better phones on the market but do feel trapped by the applications i have bought and movies music on iTunes.
i don't actually want to change but i could see these as an issue if i did.
i've now gone completely apple and to be honest can't see me changing, here's why.
Apple iMac 4 years old still going strong. in 4 years i now have lots of apple software and have it the way i like it.
if i buy a new one, time machine = it will be set up like i like it.
iPhone, owned all of them between the wife and i.
lots of apps purchased now, work on all new iDevices would cost me a lot to set up an android phone from scratch.
I can see that there are better computers and better phones on the market but do feel trapped by the applications i have bought and movies music on iTunes.
i don't actually want to change but i could see these as an issue if i did.
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i'm sure i would have she same problem with android if i wanted to swap to apple.
Then again there is a lot wider variety of android phones and windows computers not just the one apple lets me have.
Then again my 4 year old mac has had 1 fault and that was a HDD that vanished which was fixed under warranty. other than that i has been rock solid for the 4 years.
prior to that i had a custom built windows pc (i built it) and if i went 3 months without a full system reinstall i was doing well!
Then again there is a lot wider variety of android phones and windows computers not just the one apple lets me have.
Then again my 4 year old mac has had 1 fault and that was a HDD that vanished which was fixed under warranty. other than that i has been rock solid for the 4 years.
prior to that i had a custom built windows pc (i built it) and if i went 3 months without a full system reinstall i was doing well!
I really don't know the answer to this question, but I just do my best to hide from people the fact that i have a MBP and an iPhone just to avoid the 'HAHAHA, why do you have on of those pieces of ****' conversations.
Because, when i explain myself, there just seems to be countless arguments against what I'm saying
I've got one because of the reliability reputation they have built up, and i though this could be useful through uni (and half of college), also I used whatever Apple laptops were called during primary school, so they weren't completely alien to me.
BUT Lion ****** me off, its just not as fluid as SL (but don't tell the haters this
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The dislike of Apple could be because of the Violent nature it re-entered the technology market after being rubbish for years ?
Will we ever get a straight answer though?
Because, when i explain myself, there just seems to be countless arguments against what I'm saying
I've got one because of the reliability reputation they have built up, and i though this could be useful through uni (and half of college), also I used whatever Apple laptops were called during primary school, so they weren't completely alien to me.
BUT Lion ****** me off, its just not as fluid as SL (but don't tell the haters this
)The dislike of Apple could be because of the Violent nature it re-entered the technology market after being rubbish for years ?
Will we ever get a straight answer though?
really, doesn't say much for your building skills! lol Windows 7 is far more reliable than previous versions and I get no problems at all. However, some users seem to get issue after issue. Regarding android V iOS I have found it more easy to port across stuff because android
1: supports an SD card to shift data across
2: seems better able to support industry standard like contact list/csv imports.
3: seems to lock in your data less to it's own standards that mean when you move it you are more likely to get everything working without issue.
I do understand other people have far easier experiences, and don't even get me started on RIM and blackberry's but that's my findings so far
The tediousness of some Mac users when it comes to malware is probably the thing I "hate" most about Apple. They created monsters. I want to use my iPad as a discus when I read those virus vs Trojan threads.
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Every Apple product that I've owned does have a habit of "just working". I bought a new Dell XPS at the start of the year and it's horrible to use unless I plug a mouse in, I imagine this is what the majority of Windows laptops are like unless you start spending serious money. The keyboard and trackpad are light years away from even my 5 year old MacBook which was the base model even back then. That's pretty poor from Dell considering the 5 year gap and the fact that my current Dell laptop is nowhere near bottom of their range. Also, I don't know if it's Windows, me, or my laptop but trying to use two finger scrolling on the trackpad is a bloody nightmare, it rarely works properly, compare this to my bottom of the range, 5 year old MacBook and the difference is night and day in terms of usability.
Also, I went from an iPhone 3G, to a Galaxy S II, you'd think the Galaxy S II would absolutely dominate in terms of speed but this simply wasn't my experience having used both of the devices. This pretty much mirrors my experience of using the two laptops as well, I wouldn't say my current i7 laptop is any quicker at doing the every day tasks than my battered old MacBook which was far inferior spec wise. It doesn't even boot up as fast as my MacBook for example and the only thing which is noticeably better is the gaming performance, which doesn't come as a surprise.
I just don't understand why people feel they can only choose one company or the other, yes it's annoying when people feel they have to go on and on justifying their purchases, and both "sides" have idiots who make absolutely cringeworthy points, but any mature adult can surely just look at these products as pieces of technology, to be bought for a specific need and under a specific budget. There's no need for people to go so mental about one company or the other being the supreme one, all these different products can co-exist. I wouldn't let my experience thus far put me off buying another Dell, but I'd certainly consider other laptops or another MacBook based on the trackpad and other features that simply make my computing life more simple.
Also, I went from an iPhone 3G, to a Galaxy S II, you'd think the Galaxy S II would absolutely dominate in terms of speed but this simply wasn't my experience having used both of the devices. This pretty much mirrors my experience of using the two laptops as well, I wouldn't say my current i7 laptop is any quicker at doing the every day tasks than my battered old MacBook which was far inferior spec wise. It doesn't even boot up as fast as my MacBook for example and the only thing which is noticeably better is the gaming performance, which doesn't come as a surprise.
I just don't understand why people feel they can only choose one company or the other, yes it's annoying when people feel they have to go on and on justifying their purchases, and both "sides" have idiots who make absolutely cringeworthy points, but any mature adult can surely just look at these products as pieces of technology, to be bought for a specific need and under a specific budget. There's no need for people to go so mental about one company or the other being the supreme one, all these different products can co-exist. I wouldn't let my experience thus far put me off buying another Dell, but I'd certainly consider other laptops or another MacBook based on the trackpad and other features that simply make my computing life more simple.
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Lasy few Dell's have been poor trackpad wise, I'll agree on that, but I don't think Dell make great laptops anymore. They have been overtaken in many ways by many companies. However, I also feel if you'd have gone they other way after many years then it would have been subjective if you'd have found the Apple touchpads worse or maybe just different enough so you don't like it. There are huge differences between the 2 camps and I agree swapping at this point in time is fairly pointless unless the extra cost of Apple is prohibitive. As regards the iOS v Android speed thing, again they are so far apart in many ways that speed alone is not a reason to justify swapping or saying one is better than another. I personally like the more openness of android more than a slight speed of use but that's my choice. Cost wise, you'll still pay a premium for Apple and the people who use that to say theirs is best are mugs at best and fools at worst as they are still tools at the end of the day (the hardware not the users, we all know all camps have tools amongst their users 
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Having to install that bag of useless software called itunes, that decides to re-organise nametags, folders and anything else it can get its dirty little fingers on.
Overpriced and overated and as much as a fashion icon than anything else and we all know fashion is ****e.
Overpriced and overated and as much as a fashion icon than anything else and we all know fashion is ****e.
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As regards the iOS v Android speed thing, again they are so far apart in many ways that speed alone is not a reason to justify swapping or saying one is better than another. I personally like the more openness of android more than a slight speed of use but that's my choice. Cost wise, you'll still pay a premium for Apple and the people who use that to say theirs is best are mugs at best and fools at worst as they are still tools at the end of the day (the hardware not the users, we all know all camps have tools amongst their users
I wasn't aware of the difference in quality between Dell and other laptop manufacturers, I was looking at a Sony Vaio though the hardware spec wasn't anything on my Dell and the price was considerably higher too, though I imagine the build quality would have been far better and probably the trackpad too but never mind!
I'd agree on the phone thing, people who buy an iPhone and proclaim it to be the best phone on the market are absolute retards. I can see where you're coming from, iOS feels more restrictive compared to Android, but you can still jailbreak and do whatever else you want to do, I guess that the limitations between the choice of hardware will have an effect here in regards to iPhone and Android handsets and the choice and scope of hardware configurations available.
I used to like tinkering with things, and trying to learn everything about everything but these days I just want to turn a device on, have minimal input on the background stuff and just get a machine that works with zero/minimal tinkering and maintenance. I feel that Windows doesn't offer that, and Android has left me a bit disappointed though I am probably missing a trick as I imagine one of the biggest draws for Android handsets is the customisation options and software modding. I'm just at the point where I don't want to have to tinker to make things look good UI wise, I'd rather they looked the way I want them to out of the box.
I'd partially agree, iTunes in Windows isn't particularly great, it's a completely different animal in OSX however. Can't say I agree with the mini rant about fashion though, why buy an iPhone/iPod when from a technical standpoint there are "better" devices if looks and usability (fashion) is ****e?
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I don't think it's a quality thing per se about Dell it's just they don't seem to get the sum of the parts working as well as others seem to. I feel that people like Asus, Acer and Samsung for example make better overall offerings. Ultra sensitive touchpads seem to be a newish thing and I have to turn them down to get them to my liking however.
iOS isn't bad at all, and yes less models means they are far better optimised - but I quite like the choice I could have if I was in the market for a new phone.
iOS isn't bad at all, and yes less models means they are far better optimised - but I quite like the choice I could have if I was in the market for a new phone.
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I own an iPhone 4 and a 2008 MBP and tbh I'm going off Apple a lot, just don't really like being dictated to in terms of how I use my phone and my laptop anymore. Plus I reealllyy can't stand the fanboysandgirls.
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You'd consider buying a Windows based computer or an Android handset because of this? Why do you give a **** what other people think/say?
I get kinda tetchy when people say they don't have any emotional attachment to a brand when they then go on to list multiple products they own from that brand...
Especially when their argument for people disliking Apple is the old "cool" argument.I'd also like to suggest I have no emotional attachment to a company/brand either... However I have a MBA, Dell laptop, HP touchpad, Samsung phone (WP) XBox360 and may soon be replacing my phone for an Android HTC phone...
SHock horror! Some people find different things easier and harder to use!
I'd agree with him to an extent, some things in OSX are painful compared to windows, but then some things in windows are painful compared to OSX so... Just depends how you work.
I'd broadly agree with you there, and therein lies the problem on both sides of the fence. Most Apple users only ever compare their £1500 macbook against the £500 acer their friend has and most non Apple users only even compare pure hardware specs (i7, HDD, RAM etc) to those of a Macbook rather than looking at the nasty plastic and peripherals their £500 machine has.
There are plenty of machines that run Windows that are just as well thought out as MacBooks, unfortunately for most people they are the same price as a macbook... Spend £1500 and you will generally get a good machine whatever brand you buy. Spend £500 and you're not really going to be able to compare it to a £1500 machine, whether it be a macbook or a windows machine.
I've always found Android phones to be pretty slow as well, apparently they have got better with the latest high end dual core and ICS but it's still ridiculous it's taken them that long to get to that stage. Windows Phone and to a lesser extent iOS run perfectly well on significantly less powerful hardware, what is Android's problem?
Either way general day to day use a 3-4 year old computer shouldn't make any difference, web browsing and MS Office does not need huge amounts of power, it's usually just the **** that is loaded on machines that causes problems (things loading in the background).
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EDIT: Oh yeah, and then there is the iPhone thing. IME iPhone users are much more vocal in their phones than other users, at least in the circle of people I know in real life. Just yesterday I had an iPhone user raving at me about why don't I get an iPhone as I'm looking for a phone at the moment. Every cliche in the book was wheeled out, the Android users were far more interested in knowing what I wanted... For some reason having an iPhone makes a lot of people turn into ****s when talking about phones...
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Huge quote, but here's the rub. Android runs slower because it supports a massive amount of hardware compared to both iOS and WP7. Why do you think the windows phones were all so similar and perhaps it's stalled already, it's because you can only use one family of cpu's, one set of wireless chips etc. Androids strength, and equally it's failing is you can nearly use any combination of hardware and equally software. So, HTC for example can put Sense over the core firmware. So can operators, they can tweak pretty much all of the look and feel. They love this. Apple have used the same core chips in pretty much all of the iOS line and have optimised accordingly. Apple thus have high end products only in their phone lines, Samsung have Android phones from £39 up to £600 if you include the Note. How do you think a £39 iPhone Nano would run?