What is 'woke' and why do we use it?

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I'm not against these ops per se, but they should only be performed after the patient is over 85 with both their parents in agreement, compos mentis and present in person ;)
 
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Caracus2k said:
You can join the likes of Chelsea Clinton, who was throughly ratio'd when she tried to bemoan that books showing explict sex acts were not being shown to children in schools in places like Florida anymore....

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I had to google the book, since I know nothing about it.

It was found in one school library and people aren't sure if it was a prank or not.

Are parents banning their kids from owning phones? Pretty sure they can access pretty graphic stuff on those :rolleyes:
 
VincentHanna said:
I had to google the book, since I know nothing about it.

It was found in one school library and people aren't sure if it was a prank or not.

Are parents banning their kids from owning phones? Pretty sure they can access pretty graphic stuff on those :rolleyes:
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But yet Chelsea managed to use that exact book to illustrate her 'argument' in her twitter post!... straight out of the Marxist handbook of blatantly doing something (in this case agitating for sexually explicit books to be shown to children) and then trying to gaslight those that point out the issue by claiming its not happening!


It waaaaass only found in one school......

"Gender Queer" has been a topic of controversy in other states. In October, after a parent complained to school officials about the book's presence in her child's high school, Brevard County Public Schools, in Florida, pulled the text from its libraries and directed school staff to "ensure there are no other similar books in our libraries," Superintendent Mark Mullins said in a statement.
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"Gender Queer" has been removed from school districts in several states, including Pennsylvania and Texas, but author Maia Kobabe has maintained that the explicit drawings and scenes were necessary in order to convey how "gender identity can impact every facet of life."
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School board votes to keep 'Gender Queer: A Memoir' in Leavitt High School library Another Maine school district has decided to keep a controversial book in its high school library. Tara Levesque, who is a middle school parent, complained about “Gender Queer: A Memoir,” which has been banned in some schools and supported in others in Maine and the U.S.​

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Some pretty poor research you did there....​

 
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VincentHanna said:
Do you understand how twitter works? She shared an article and the book image in question comes from that article.
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You do understand how reality works?

Like maybe don't use a book with explicit sexual depictions in an article about how it's your ideological opponents who are wrong about not wanting some books in children's schools/ libraries.

And don't gaslight people with nonsense about 'LGBTQ+ characters & themes' when what you really mean is 'explicit depictions of sexual activity'.
 
Caracus2k said:
But yet Chelsea managed to use that exact book to illustrate her 'argument' in her twitter post!... straight out of the Marxist handbook of blatantly doing something (in this case agitating for sexually explicit books to be shown to children) and then trying to gaslight those that point out the issue by claiming its not happening!


It waaaaass only found in one school......







Some pretty poor research you did there....​

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Sorry but you make yourself a target of humour with such talk. Why do you always have to deal in extremes? You come across as just as bad as the people you appear to dislike so much. People don't like extremists no matter which end they fall on.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Sorry but you make yourself a target of humour with such talk. Why do you always have to deal in extremes? You come across as just as bad as the people you appear to dislike so much. People don't like extremists no matter which end they fall on.
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"People" don't like extremists? Or "I don't like extremists"?

As an example of how ridiculous such a sweeping statement is, this occurred yesterday, it was undeniably extreme, but I liked it.

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'We can sleep safer': Father and husband of victims 'comforted' after Palestinian gunmen killed

Maia Dee, 20, and her sister Rina, 15, died in the West Bank when their car was shot at and forced off the road last month - their mother Lucy, 45, died in hospital from her wounds a few days later.
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I think the biggest problem we have are opinions.

We're encouraged to have 'opinions' about everything, why? It just fills the space with people spouting words about things they often don't have the full facts on.

I include myself in this, I'm going to actively try not to have an opinion on everything, I never used to.

Not my circus, not my monkeys.
 
adidan said:
I think the biggest problem we have are opinions.

We're encouraged to have 'opinions' about everything, why? It just fills the space with people spouting words about things they often don't have the full facts on.

I include myself in this, I'm going to actively try not to have an opinion on everything, I never used to.

Not my circus, not my monkeys.
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I think there's something in this, extenuated with the social media echo chamber everyone surrounds themselves with meaning your hearing back your opinion which reinforces it in your mind regardless of its validity.

And or course, nobody wants to find out their dearly held opinion is way off.
 
Caracus2k said:
But yet Chelsea managed to use that exact book to illustrate her 'argument' in her twitter post!
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Caracus2k said:
Like maybe don't use a book with explicit sexual depictions in an article about how it's your ideological opponents who are wrong about not wanting some books in children's schools/ libraries.
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Your faux anger should really be aimed at Matt Lavietes who wrote the article, or perhaps Amanda Darrow who was in the image depicted holding up the book, or maybe Rick Bowmer the photographer for the AP who took the picture, or one of the editors that decided to use the 'stock image' and sign-off on the publication.
Chelsea Clinton just linked to an article.
 
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adidan said:
I think the biggest problem we have are opinions.

We're encouraged to have 'opinions' about everything, why? It just fills the space with people spouting words about things they often don't have the full facts on.

I include myself in this, I'm going to actively try not to have an opinion on everything, I never used to.

Not my circus, not my monkeys.
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Well thats your opinion and you are entitled to it.
 
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adidan said:
We're encouraged to have 'opinions' about everything, why? It just fills the space with people spouting words about things they often don't have the full facts on.
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You are encouraged to have opinions, but not necessarily to share those opinions.
And truthfully you should form opinions on everything, but there is also the frequently unspoken expectation that you will have done your best to learn the facts to the best of your ability, before forming that opinion... because ultimately you are expected to vote on certain things that will filter down to affect the stuff on which you formed those opinions. The responsible approach would therefore be to understand those certain things and vote based on that knowledge of what your vote will result in.
Moreover, I think most current political parties rely heavily on the votership not having done their research or fully understanding who/what they're voing for, which is how we've ended up with this latest gaggle of frakwittery in power.
 
ttaskmaster said:
You are encouraged to have opinions, but not necessarily to share those opinions.
And truthfully you should form opinions on everything, but there is also the frequently unspoken expectation that you will have done your best to learn the facts to the best of your ability, before forming that opinion... because ultimately you are expected to vote on certain things that will filter down to affect the stuff on which you formed those opinions. The responsible approach would therefore be to understand those certain things and vote based on that knowledge of what your vote will result in.
Moreover, I think most current political parties rely heavily on the votership not having done their research or fully understanding who/what they're voing for, which is how we've ended up with this latest gaggle of frakwittery in power.
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I think there's a distinction.

Having an opinion on something if you have an interest or knowledge is one thing, being encouraged to have an opinion on every single thing is another.

Opinions and lines in the sand seem to be drawn before the discussions that should form them are ever allowed to flourish.
 
adidan said:
Having an opinion on something if you have an interest or knowledge is one thing, being encouraged to have an opinion on every single thing is another.
Opinions and lines in the sand seem to be drawn before the discussions that should form them are ever allowed to flourish.
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Not quite...

You are encouraged to have an opinion because, even if you know nothing about the subject, you are expected to acquire the knowledge necessary to then form that opinion... The problem is that people often forgot to make it clear that you need the knowledge before you draw those lines, which is why we end up with so many bitch-fights and arguments on forums like this.

Ideally you'd have the discussions and then form the opinions, with the usual middleground being a presentation of opinions that give rise to the discussions, resulting in better-formed and better-informed opinions.
 
My complaint was valid. The anti-trans movement like to say that adults want to push life-altering drugs (they are temporary puberty blockers initially until the child is much older and easily reversed simply by stopping taking them) and want to mutilate genitalia. It is presented as something that adults try to do irrespective of the views of the trans person. Like child abuse. Mutilation rather than surgery. Now I get that's a very fine line I'm drawing there; after all female (and male for that matter) circumcision is not justified in my opinion. But I don't see too many people of any age volunteering for circumcision.

Puberty blockers and re-assignment surgery are only performed after considerable evidence of their need. It's not pushed on unsuspecting children who don't want it. Particularly the latter. I'm not saying that children don't ever take puberty blockers or that quite young people don't have surgery but I am saying it's not because they were pushed into it by woke lefties. And if it does happen, the woke leftie should be prosecuted.

Hopefully we never get to this
 
MikeTimbers said:
My complaint was valid. The anti-trans movement like to say that adults want to push life-altering drugs (they are temporary puberty blockers initially until the child is much older and easily reversed simply by stopping taking them) and want to mutilate genitalia.
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Wrong! There is no such thing as a 'temporary' puberty blocker.
MikeTimbers said:
It is presented as something that adults try to do irrespective of the views of the trans person. Like child abuse. Mutilation rather than surgery. Now I get that's a very fine line I'm drawing there; after all female (and male for that matter) circumcision is not justified in my opinion. But I don't see too many people of any age volunteering for circumcision.
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It is mutilation.
MikeTimbers said:
Puberty blockers and re-assignment surgery are only performed after considerable evidence of their need.
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Wrong again.
MikeTimbers said:
It's not pushed on unsuspecting children who don't want it.
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Children don't know what they want, that's the point. Adults are supposed to protect children from making irreversible life altering decisions, not encourage them.
MikeTimbers said:
Hopefully we never get to this
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Already there.
 
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