What "man jobs" have you done today?

dlockers · 5 Jan 2023 at 22:01

Second question - is 18mm chipboard good enough to replace floorboards? Sick of these 1930s T&G things that get destroyed on the way up. I need a bunch for the loft anyway, so thinking I can get a load of these and have a much nicer draught proof floor/perfectly level surface for the new sub-floor?

P5 TGV4 Chipboard Tongue & groove Floorboard (L)2.4m (W)600mm (T)18mm | DIY at B&Q

This P5 TGV4 chipboard Floorboard conforms to the EN 13986:2004 standard. This floorboard with dimensions of (L)2.4m x (W)60cm x (T)18mm, 14.75kg. This P5 TGV4 is 18mm thick, with structural moisture resistance for all domestic and specific commercial flooring. This tongue & groove chipboard has...

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sigma · 5 Jan 2023 at 22:05

dLockers said:
Second question - is 18mm chipboard good enough to replace floorboards? Sick of these 1930s T&G things that get destroyed on the way up. I need a bunch for the loft anyway, so thinking I can get a load of these and have a much nicer draught proof floor/perfectly level surface for the new sub-floor?

P5 TGV4 Chipboard Tongue & groove Floorboard (L)2.4m (W)600mm (T)18mm | DIY at B&Q

This P5 TGV4 chipboard Floorboard conforms to the EN 13986:2004 standard. This floorboard with dimensions of (L)2.4m x (W)60cm x (T)18mm, 14.75kg. This P5 TGV4 is 18mm thick, with structural moisture resistance for all domestic and specific commercial flooring. This tongue & groove chipboard has...

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That basically is classed as floorboard these days isn't it?

dlockers · 5 Jan 2023 at 22:09

sigma said:
That basically is classed as floorboard these days isn't it?

I think so - although you can get the 22mm(?) stuff?

BennyC · 5 Jan 2023 at 22:18

dLockers said:
Second question - is 18mm chipboard good enough to replace floorboards? Sick of these 1930s T&G things that get destroyed on the way up. I need a bunch for the loft anyway, so thinking I can get a load of these and have a much nicer draught proof floor/perfectly level surface for the new sub-floor?

P5 TGV4 Chipboard Tongue & groove Floorboard (L)2.4m (W)600mm (T)18mm | DIY at B&Q

This P5 TGV4 chipboard Floorboard conforms to the EN 13986:2004 standard. This floorboard with dimensions of (L)2.4m x (W)60cm x (T)18mm, 14.75kg. This P5 TGV4 is 18mm thick, with structural moisture resistance for all domestic and specific commercial flooring. This tongue & groove chipboard has...

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Boards in my O/H's semi were 22mm.

We've actually had to use 12mm ply to correct the floor level, though there will be 14mm engineered hardwood flooring on top so should be plenty strong enough.

18mm should really be the minimum thickness though without adding extra joists or noggins to avoid any flex.

dlockers · 5 Jan 2023 at 22:28

BennyC said:
Boards in my O/H's semi were 22mm.

We've actually had to use 12mm ply to correct the floor level, though there will be 14mm engineered hardwood flooring on top so should be plenty strong enough.

18mm should really be the minimum thickness though without adding extra joists or noggins to avoid any flex.

Yeah ultimately it'll be 18mm+14mm or whatever hardwood floor. The joists are at ~300 centres.

BennyC · 5 Jan 2023 at 22:52

I'm unsure whether OSB/plywood would be better for something with reasonable foot traffic though having said that new builds use similar to what you've linked on first floors and just have underlay and carpet on top so it'll probably be absolutely fine, especially with a laminate or hardwood over the top.

thebandit · 6 Jan 2023 at 10:19

dLockers said:
Chaps,

How would one tackle this bannister/stair case? It'll be painted either white or some other colour. Currently it has about 50 layers of varnish.

As others have said, assuming the varnish is sound and not already peeling key into it with sanding ( I have just done a job like this and those foam sponge sanding blocks are good for this ). Then use Zinsser bulls eye plus primer, this stuff is awesome and won't peel off. Then paint.

theone8181 · 6 Jan 2023 at 11:01

{SAS}TB said:
Lol,I seriously considered this doing ours

I was being semi serious, as I've regressed our entire house with water based stuff over the old oil stuff and that was not fun. Made worse by the mrs who wanted it glossing 5 years ago cream and now I've gone to white.

Tony Edwards · 6 Jan 2023 at 12:12

dLockers said:
Chaps,

How would one tackle this bannister/stair case? It'll be painted either white or some other colour. Currently it has about 50 layers of varnish.

A nice little bonfire then buy some new ones then put those up and paint them.

dlockers · 6 Jan 2023 at 13:35

What's the consensus on primers, chaps?

Zinsser 123 Bulls Eye or the B.I.N stuff?

sigma · 6 Jan 2023 at 15:22

Is stuff like nitromoors no good for stripping? Pretty sure I used it successfully many moons ago.

**** sanding all that by hand.

LuckyBenski · 6 Jan 2023 at 15:24

sigma said:
Is stuff like nitromoors no good for stripping? Pretty sure I used it successfully many moons ago.

**** sanding all that by hand.

They changed the chemicals in it some time back and it's not as good any more apparently

dlockers · 6 Jan 2023 at 15:27

sigma said:
Is stuff like nitromoors no good for stripping? Pretty sure I used it successfully many moons ago.

**** sanding all that by hand.

I hate that stuff more than sanding I think. Smell, gets everywhere, hard to sanitise the area for painting again.

Consensus has been to give it a quick lick with sand paper and then use Zinsser 123 anyway, so I'm not going to be sanding loads and loads.

Main job for tomorrow:
Knock down stair cupboard
Take up stair carpet
Remove skirting board
Sand staircase
Lift existing boards
Lay PIR between joists

I'll relay new 18mm chipboard at whichever point Wickes deliver it

sigma · 6 Jan 2023 at 15:29

dLockers said:
I hate that stuff more than sanding I think. Smell, gets everywhere, hard to sanitise the area for painting again.

Consensus has been to give it a quick lick with sand paper and then use Zinsser 123 anyway, so I'm not going to be sanding loads and loads.

Main job for tomorrow:
Knock down stair cupboard
Take up stair carpet
Remove skirting board
Sand staircase
Lift existing boards
Lay PIR between joists
Visit sigma to help with unfinished DIY projects

Thanks m8

gingergundog · 6 Jan 2023 at 18:28

dLockers said:
Second question - is 18mm chipboard good enough to replace floorboards? Sick of these 1930s T&G things that get destroyed on the way up. I need a bunch for the loft anyway, so thinking I can get a load of these and have a much nicer draught proof floor/perfectly level surface for the new sub-floor?

P5 TGV4 Chipboard Tongue & groove Floorboard (L)2.4m (W)600mm (T)18mm | DIY at B&Q

This P5 TGV4 chipboard Floorboard conforms to the EN 13986:2004 standard. This floorboard with dimensions of (L)2.4m x (W)60cm x (T)18mm, 14.75kg. This P5 TGV4 is 18mm thick, with structural moisture resistance for all domestic and specific commercial flooring. This tongue & groove chipboard has...

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You would be better off keeping your original flooring, chipboard is pony in comparison. If your swearing at taking up the boards now just wait until you have to take up chipboard, or it gets wet and turns into weetabix. Those original boards are easy to take up, just need to cut all the way along the t&g.

dlockers · 6 Jan 2023 at 18:57

gingergundog said:
You would be better off keeping your original flooring, chipboard is pony in comparison. If your swearing at taking up the boards now just wait until you have to take up chipboard, or it gets wet and turns into weetabix. Those original boards are easy to take up, just need to cut all the way along the t&g.

You reckon? The thing is they just disintegrate when you pull them up... Even after cutting the tongue. And then I'm going to be doing 2 screws per joist per plank...

I am covering it in proper hardwood stuff. Maybe I'll use the hallway as an experiment as the boards there are absolutely battered.

R.O.S.S.I · 6 Jan 2023 at 19:02

dLockers said:
You reckon? The thing is they just disintegrate when you pull them up... Even after cutting the tongue. And then I'm going to be doing 2 screws per joist per plank...

I am covering it in proper hardwood stuff. Maybe I'll use the hallway as an experiment as the boards there are absolutely battered.

Let me know how you go with this as our landing floor boards sound nackered under the carpet so been thinking about changing them with some solid ply/board. I would overboard them but the landing carpet is already a lot higher than the bedroom's laminate floors at the thresholds. Going even higher would be a real pain the bum.

dlockers · 6 Jan 2023 at 19:49

Would you chaps use either of these screws for 18mm T&G?

Floor-Tite PZ Double-Countersunk Thread-Cutting Floorboard Screws 4.2mm x 45mm 200 Pack - Screwfix

Order online at Screwfix.com. Zinc and blue-passivated and case-hardened. Tri-Lock threadform and shank incorporate the benefits of a single coarse thread with a twin thread start. Spiral point, part thread and under-head ribs for self-countersinking. Flush, neat fix will not work loose...

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Goldscrew PZ Double-Countersunk Self-Tapping Multipurpose Screws 4.5mm x 50mm 200 Pack - Screwfix

Order online at Screwfix.com. Top quality, waxed single thread, multipurpose screw. Popular with the professional. Features a lower screw-in torque and faster drive speed. Suitable for screwdrivers, combi drills and impact drivers. FREE next day delivery available, free collection in 1 minute.

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{SAS}TB · 6 Jan 2023 at 19:52

Painted the dart backboard black

Buffman · 6 Jan 2023 at 20:46

dLockers said:
Would you chaps use either of these screws for 18mm T&G?

Floor-Tite PZ Double-Countersunk Thread-Cutting Floorboard Screws 4.2mm x 45mm 200 Pack - Screwfix

Order online at Screwfix.com. Zinc and blue-passivated and case-hardened. Tri-Lock threadform and shank incorporate the benefits of a single coarse thread with a twin thread start. Spiral point, part thread and under-head ribs for self-countersinking. Flush, neat fix will not work loose...

www.screwfix.com

Goldscrew PZ Double-Countersunk Self-Tapping Multipurpose Screws 4.5mm x 50mm 200 Pack - Screwfix

Order online at Screwfix.com. Top quality, waxed single thread, multipurpose screw. Popular with the professional. Features a lower screw-in torque and faster drive speed. Suitable for screwdrivers, combi drills and impact drivers. FREE next day delivery available, free collection in 1 minute.

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Id use these spax flooring screws for both floorboards and chipboard or any sheet flooring

SPAX Wirox T-STAR Plus Flooring Screw

Speed up your fastening jobs with these SPAX flooring screws. The screw head is specially designed for use with T-STAR Plus bits for a more secure fit - this means quicker, firmer and more efficient driving with no annoying bit slips.Flush screw insertion is easy with a countersunk head, and...

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Personally I tried to reuse floorboards where possible on my hallways /bedrooms and only used sheet flooring where necessary eg example below due to pipework

Example floor https://imgur.com/a/LrugfoY

dLockers said:
What's the consensus on primers, chaps?

Zinsser 123 Bulls Eye or the B.I.N stuff?

You've reminded me ive got some BIN. I'm going to use it on my staircase. It seems quite good (I've used it briefly on another job on bleeding knots on wood) only thing to note is its very watery.