What self defence should I learn?

Makunouchi said:
Oh yeah because in a street fight you really have the opportunity to be that accurate. Go out on a Friday night to your local town and watch a street fight, it's basically a slapping / grappling match or a big bundle. There's no real way to 'defend' against a ruck.
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i go out every weekend and have been involved in about 10 fights over the past 6 years of clubbing, and have a scar on my right eyebrow to prove at least one of them, the reason why the fights you see are like that is because both guys have no clue what they are doing, punching a guy in the throat is a lot easier than trying to grapple him to the ground
 
Real Aikido is a good offensive art.

I should qualify that. Real aikido doesn't wait for someone to punch you but you should be moving and moving the attacker almost as soon as they've decided they're going to hit you.
 
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osc89er said:
Depending on where you live and how much of an appendage a person is then self confidence and self discipline can be enough to discourage most bad guys without the need to escalate to gratuitous violence
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Psycho Sonny said:
i go out every weekend and have been involved in about 10 fights over the past 6 years of clubbing, and have a scar on my right eyebrow to prove at least one of them, the reason why the fights you see are like that is because both guys have no clue what they are doing, punching a guy in the throat is a lot easier than trying to grapple him to the ground
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See my earlier post.
 
osc89er said:
Real Aikido is a good offensive art.

I should qualify that. Real aikido doesn't wait for someone to punch you but you should be moving and moving the attacker almost as soon as they've decided they're going to hit you.
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what happens if the guys decided to attack you from a blind side? and with enough force to knock you to the ground and daze you? how would you be able to move yourself and the attacker?
 
Psycho Sonny said:
thats because tae kwon do is really crap, you wont learn anything in it which will win you a proper fight
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Tae Kwon Do is a sport - but it is not crap. It does depend on how your instructor approaches your training. Mine would bring in other martial arts instructors in and train us in varying styles. We also had brawling instruction and multiple opponent training.

Any martial art is only as good as the instructor.

As an aside I did it for 8 years and was nationally ranked as second in the country heavy weight full contact (in New Zealand). All of our tournaments were full contact and when you see some dude getting knocked out in the ring you can safely say it's not a crap sport.
 
I think the early UFC matches did a good job showing some of the fallacies of having a striking art that couldn't deal with different ranges of attack.

A boxer will benefit by knowing to sprawl when tackled low. The boxing isn't much use if a wrestler takes you down to the ground and lies on you.
 
osc89er said:
I think the early UFC matches did a good job showing some of the fallacies of having a striking art that couldn't deal with different ranges of attack.

A boxer will benefit by knowing to sprawl when tackled low. The boxing isn't much use if a wrestler takes you down to the ground and lies on you.
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or kicks you in the nuts...
 
Fenris said:
I was saying, Martial Arts are a con in terms of self defense, which is what this thread was asking about, and unless you do them quite seriousely they are absolutely useless, learning how to take a punch properly and deal one out, i.e boxing, is much more effective.
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So you're suggesting it's better to take punches during training untill you're numb in order to get used to them in a real fight? I'd rather learn how to block a punch then strike back.

Fenris said:
Martial Arts are fun, I've done Aikido, Karata and Judo, but for self defense they are not realy efficient, you realy need to be able to do it without thinking before you can apply them anywhere and be able to adapt them, which standing in front of someone slowly going through a move over and over does not teach.
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With all that experience I'd have thought you'd have the opposite opinion. Having practiced/taught karate for a number of years I can't see how boxing is overall better in anyway.

Fenris said:
If you want to learn self defense because you are worried about getting into a fight and being battered, knowing that if the guy puts his hand forward in a certain way and you are standing in exactly the right position then you can flip him over your shoulder then awesome, but fights don't usualy go the way you plan them to.

Fight dirty, kick a guy in the nuts then when he's down keep kicking.

Also yeah, I know my spelling is pretty dire.
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Where does boxing teach 'fighting dirty'? Martial Arts teach how to kick, knee, elbow etc. All of which could be classed as fighting dirty.
 
I think the point is, no one method is comprehensive. There are so many factors affecting the nature and outcome of a fight that it's impossible to say what would work and what wouldn't.

OP: get yourself to a few classes of different fighting styles and go for the one that you like or enjoy the most, that will work more in your favour than anything else.

SteveOBHave said:
Tae Kwon Do is a sport
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No, it isn't.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
what happens if the guys decided to attack you from a blind side? and with enough force to knock you to the ground and daze you? how would you be able to move yourself and the attacker?
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What's your point? This applies to all martial arts (and remember, boxing is a martial art)
 
Psycho Sonny said:
i go out every weekend and have been involved in about 10 fights over the past 6 years of clubbing
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Are you proud of this?

I'm not taking the wee I just don't understand why you'd admit to something like this. I've never been in a fight and I'm proud of that fact - I've managed to resolve 22 years worth of disputes and arguments without anyone having tried to hit me.

Can I also ask how many of those fights you were drunk/coked up for, and how many were with people you thought were friends until the fights started?

Edit: I'm not insinuating anything here, the answer could be zero and you could have been the victim each time.
 
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Fair enough.

Returning to the topic. Being blindsided and dazed is something everyone doing any martial art has to worry about. There are things you can do to train to deal with it but its simply a bad scenario for everyone.
 
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