What sort of Mileage is it worthwhile getting a Diesel?

Jez said:
Ive only ever had one new screen over around 200,000 miles of driving. And that was smashed racing a mate down a gravelly country lane right up his arse.

Stop tailgating people and you wont get smashed screens ;)
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Thats the point, I don't tailgate... if I did I would have had an accident by now, i've been driving well over a year, and i'm one of few 19 year olds that hasnt had a smash yet...
 
This whole thread doesn't make sense. Aren't you the guy who pops a boner if someone even mentions the word "Mini"? You take it to shows, you love and nurture it, you wanted to spend 20 grand on a tarted up one the other day?

And now suddenly you want rid because of paint chips, windscreen chips and a few mechanical niggles :confused:
 
I do 17K a year in Ford Mondeo diesel and it does 48mpg.

I have worked out if I had Ford Mondeo 1.8 petrol which does 38mpg. It would cost me £330 extra per year (Diesel £1720 vs Petrol £2050).

Works out extra £27.50 a month (£171 vs £143). Worth it?

I prefer driving petrol, it feels much more refined and lighter to drive. No nose heavy either which you would have to deal with diesel in twisty country road.
 
[TW]Fox;11143309 said:
Becuase it isn't true, thats why I don't mention it.

Diesels are generally worth x% more than the equivilent petrol model. As they depreciate, that x% goes down, so you'll never get the entire difference back.

If there is a £2k difference and the petrol is £9k and the diesel is £11k there wont be a £2k difference in 4 years time when the diesel is £4k will there?
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I have worded my example wrong I never ment you got the whole difference back however your posts suggest the 1-2k is lost money when its not.

With cheaper cars the diesels are generally 1k more ish for example a 1.6 Focus to 1.6TDCI Zetec is £1.3k, come to your 4k example the diesel will likely be 5k as generally diesel focuses are 1k ish more than the petrol so you have lost little money buying the diesel over the petrol. As cars hit the final slump to 1-2k cars diesels are still demanding at least £500 more over petrols this is likley to increase as more people want to get 'cheap' motoring by buying a diesel and not doing there sums.

I was then going to use a 330d/330i example on the 2k end however I was surprised that the diesel is only £495 more yet come resale time the diesel are generally going for £500-1k more than the petrols, so not only do you get cheaper running costs come resale time may actually get back more than the outlay for the diesel model.
 
barnettgs said:
I do 17K a year in Ford Mondeo diesel and it does 48mpg.

I have worked out if I had Ford Mondeo 1.8 petrol which does 38mpg. It would cost me £330 extra per year (Diesel £1720 vs Petrol £2050).

Works out extra £27.50 a month (£171 vs £143). Worth it?

I prefer driving petrol, it feels much more refined and lighter to drive. No nose heavy either which you would have to deal with diesel in twisty country road.
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Your Ford Mondeo petrol could have costed £16,000 new, and the diesel £300 second hand, which makes the diesel cheaper motoring. Or you could buy an ST220 for £7,000 second hand or a diesel for £18,000 new, which would make the ST220 cheaper for a good few years, so it's only worth comparing petrol vs diesel prices wiht equivalent cars.

And you're not meant to thrash a diesel around twisty country roads, so that's not an issue :p
 
Lopéz said:
This whole thread doesn't make sense. Aren't you the guy who pops a boner if someone even mentions the word "Mini"? You take it to shows, you love and nurture it, you wanted to spend 20 grand on a tarted up one the other day?

And now suddenly you want rid because of paint chips, windscreen chips and a few mechanical niggles :confused:
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As some know and say, I change my mind often... dont get me wrong, I still like Mini's and I plan to carry on attending shows to view, but its struck me how much i've spent on it in the 12 months I have had it... and to be honest, I dont think I should be.

And if something major goes wrong... its gonna mean me getting me bent over by BMW.. where as people have said, the Ford stuff is gonna be a lot cheaper.
 
West said:
As some know and say, I change my mind often...
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Read as "I often make irrational and ill conceived decisions".

Everyone is telling you the same thing, spend half the money and get a car that is more than adequate for your needs whilst saving yourself a fortune on finance. This is excellent advice. What do you spend on finance per month at the minute? About £200-250? Get a bank loan of £4k over 3 years which is what, £125-ish a month? You are saving yourself £100 a month already. That's £1200 a year. If you buy wisely, it won't cost you anything near that amount to run a £4k car.
Take my car for example. A '53 Seat Toledo 20v Turbo with 36k on the clock. It will probably sell for around the £4k mark. It has 180bhp, excellent fuel economy for the performance and bullet proof reliability. It has cost me nothing but petrol, servicing and tyres since I bought it 3 years ago.

Of course, you could spend over twice that amount on a boring 1.6 Focus which in the long run is actually going to cost you more.

However, it appears you have been brainwashed by a dealer with "only £X99 a month" and have already made up your mind.

You would be much better off if you gave £4k to a random contributor to this thread to buy you a car than going to a dealer with the "I want to change my car and as long as it's under £xxx a month I don't care how you shaft me, just make it happen" attitude.

Ignore the advice in this thread at your own peril. You ignored our advice before and regreted it and it looks as if you are set to do the same again.
 
To the OP, just to throw a spanner in the works, here's my suggestion:

Sell your mini, get £8k for it. Now, put £5000 in the bank, congratulate yourself on no longer being in debt for your car. Then, go out and buy a Japanese, petrol engined hatchback for less than £3k.

I've done it before (and I'll no doubt do it again) but I'm going to pimp my Civic again. It's a 1999, T plate 1.4 5 door hatch. It's not fast. It is very comfortable, and has a good ride quality. It does between 35 and 40mpg, depending on whether I'm on the motorways up and down the country on the way to and from gigs, or hooning around the roundabouts in Milton Keynes for work. It's been reliable so far. I bought it, and had the cambelt changed - it was due on the schedule, and I do it on all my new cars anyway. Since then, I've changed the oil and filter myself (with oil I got free with a magazine subscription and a £8 filter), changed the brake pads myself (cost ~£30), and replaced a torn auxilliary belt (cost £4). In this time, I've done over 26,000 miles - and I've not had to spend another penny on it.

Just spending £10,000 on a car doesn't automatically mean it's going to be reliable and trouble free.

(touches wood)
 
Dangerous Dave said:
I have worded my example wrong I never ment you got the whole difference back however your posts suggest the 1-2k is lost money when its not.

With cheaper cars the diesels are generally 1k more ish for example a 1.6 Focus to 1.6TDCI Zetec is £1.3k, come to your 4k example the diesel will likely be 5k as generally diesel focuses are 1k ish more than the petrol so you have lost little money buying the diesel over the petrol. As cars hit the final slump to 1-2k cars diesels are still demanding at least £500 more over petrols this is likley to increase as more people want to get 'cheap' motoring by buying a diesel and not doing there sums.

I was then going to use a 330d/330i example on the 2k end however I was surprised that the diesel is only £495 more yet come resale time the diesel are generally going for £500-1k more than the petrols, so not only do you get cheaper running costs come resale time may actually get back more than the outlay for the diesel model.
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You are quoting new prices whereas I am talking about people buying used cars. If I was buying a new BMW it might even be a diesel so you've spent ages trying to convince me of something I'm already warming to :p
 
Scuzi said:
Read as "I often make irrational and ill conceived decisions".

Everyone is telling you the same thing, spend half the money and get a car that is more than adequate for your needs whilst saving yourself a fortune on finance. This is excellent advice. What do you spend on finance per month at the minute? About £200-250? Get a bank loan of £4k over 3 years which is what, £125-ish a month? You are saving yourself £100 a month already. That's £1200 a year. If you buy wisely, it won't cost you anything near that amount to run a £4k car.

However, it appears you have been brainwashed by a dealer with "only £X99 a month" and have already made up your mind.

You would be much better off if you gave £4k to a random contributor to this thread to buy you a car than going to a dealer with the "I want to change my car and as long as it's under £xxx a month I don't care how you shaft me, just make it happen" attitude.

Ignore the advice in this thread at your own peril. You ignored our advice before and regreted it and it looks as if you are set to do the same again.
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Thats the thing, its not on finance, its a bank loan...

As I said, I intend to LOOK around a bit first, i'm not commited to anything i'm gonna see if I can find one a bit older for about the 7k mark.. atleast i'm making a bit more...
 
I don't normally post in this section so could be completely wrong and it's not really any of my business but...

Wasn't it you that had a thread/mentioned in one about wanting to move out in to your own place but couldn't due to the the finance/loan on your car? If so I would be taking close note of Foxes and Jez's advice 'cos it seems spot on to me and in the long run will give you broader options of what you want to be doing. :)

I spent 7k on a car a 2 years ago. Looking back I could have got the same for a lot less but I wanted 'x' toys/age etc, all it did was leave me in a pickle for a bit as to what my options were.
 
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West said:
Thats the thing, its not on finance, its a bank loan...

As I said, I intend to LOOK around a bit first, i'm not commited to anything i'm gonna see if I can find one a bit older for about the 7k mark.. atleast i'm making a bit more...
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Didn't you post a while ago complaining that you had no money left over at the end of the month? You don't need to spend £7k!! Take a look at my edit in my post above regarding my car. There are cars out there for half the price with twice the performance and similar or better reliability than the cars you are looking at.

If you are going to spend £7k on a car for only 8000 miles a year, you can get something a hell of a lot more interesting than a 1.6 Focus. Newer cars are not necessarily more reliable, especially when there's only a year or two in it. If what you said in your previous threads regarding your finances is true, you cannot afford to comfortably run an £8k car.

Spend half the money on a car that is just as good. Give yourself a break for god's sake!
 
Scuzi said:
Didn't you post a while ago complaining that you had no money left over at the end of the month? You don't need to spend £7k!! Take a look at my edit in my post above regarding my car. There are cars out there for half the price with twice the performance and similar or better reliability than the cars you are looking at.

If you are going to spend £7k on a car for only 8000 miles a year, you can get something a hell of a lot more interesting than a 1.6 Focus. Newer cars are not necessarily more reliable, especially when there's only a year or two in it. If what you said in your previous threads regarding your finances is true, you cannot afford to comfortably run an £8k car.

Spend half the money on a car that is just as good. Give yourself a break for god's sake!
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Some people have got me all wrong... I can afford to run it.. I travel closer to 13 a year, not 8.

As I said, i'm gonna have a look what is out there... it is my money at the end of the day... at least this one, if I decide to get it I will keep for more than 12 months.
 
is your mini chipped or remapped? reason I ask is because you replaced the clutch already?

In the first post you said you did 30 miles for work 4 days a week. and 20 miles personal per week. or 170 miles average.

So under 8k total?
 
hittman said:
is your mini chipped or remapped? reason I ask is because you replaced the clutch already?

In the first post you said you did 30 miles for work 4 days a week. and 20 miles personal per week. or 170 miles average.

So under 8k total?
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Nope...

As for the Mileage, you have to add a load of different other things, I make the occasional trip to Manchester as well as Birmingham so that adds a fair bit too... like I said as well, I put near enough 13k on it last year.
 
West said:
Some people have got me all wrong... I can afford to run it..
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Not unless you were lying in your previous threads regarding your shocking personal finances.


West said:
As I said, i'm gonna have a look what is out there... it is my money at the end of the day..
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That doesn't make your use of it any less foolish. You post here to ask for advice. When people tell you to catch yourself on and give you some excellent advice, your response is "it is my money at the end of the day", i.e. It's my money and I'll do what I want, to hell with your advice.

You did the exact same thing the last time. You ignored our advice and you regretted it. You are doing it again. Can you not learn from your epic mistakes? We are only trying to help you by giving you level headed advice but I don't know why we bother because you don't seem to be taking any of it in.

Go ahead, spend a relative fortune on a car. There will be no sympathy from those you have ignored when the inevitable "I'm bored of my car" or "I have no money" thread appears six months down the line.

I'm not out to assassinate your character or anything, I just find it absolutely ludicrous that you won't listen to the advice given when you ask for it. I don't want you to get yourself into a financial hole again. I want you to get a great car whilst at the same time making life a bit easier for yourself. You can do this if you listen to the advice in this thread but you appear to be blatently ignoring it.

If you cannot take a step back and see the scenario with any clarity at all, I pity you. I really do.

I'm done with giving advice as it appears to be a waste of my time. Best of luck with your car purchase:)
 
Scuzi, not at all, at any point in this thread have I said I have commited, I am listening to advice, and I will make a desision that I thinks best at the end of it.

And I have never said I dont have money... I have plenty to do what I want when I want... okay maybe not in the last few days of the month, but when does anyone?

The reason I am getting rid of the Mini is because I feel with the warrenty being so close, the luck i've had with the car so far is that something major will go. I fully intend to check out whats available... hell I might even try and sell it privatley yet, instead of part-exing it.

The loan at the minute stands at around 9k ish... so if I get 8.5 for the car, thats only £500 to find... to finish the loan off and consider getting something else. Something cheaper.
 
[TW]Fox;11142761 said:
It is also true to say that girls prefer to have sex with guys who drive petrol cars, not diesel cars.
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Driving a diesel IS like having SEX....







...when your 90


Vans, Lorries and Tractors should only use it everything else petrol. ;)
 
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