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What the hell is going on in this country regarding dentistry?
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Ooo I like that it's dirty !
Soldato
I think NHS prices are actually very reasonable.
Yep. It has saved my life 4 times in my 52 years. Twice when I was a kid. Imagine if my parents who weren't well off had to choose between the life of their child or potential bankruptcy.
I think we probably will need to move closer to something like the French style at some point but the American system is the worst, unless you have a great job or are loaded.
Yep. It has saved my life 4 times in my 52 years. Twice when I was a kid. Imagine if my parents who weren't well off had to choose between the life of their child or potential bankruptcy.
I think we probably will need to move closer to something like the French style at some point but the American system is the worst, unless you have a great job or are loaded.
There are 4-5 countries who fully subsidise dentistry, 5-6 like the UK where most of the cost is publicly funded, strangely those countries dominate the top of the list for teeth health and quality of dentistry.
Not sure why you or some others cling to such a backwards, outdated notions on this kind of thing with such an unjust and in some cases miserable outcome. These kind of opinions belong in the past not an advanced modern civilisation.
If you can't get an NHS dentist, you could consider having the work done abroad. It can often be much cheaper to have work done privately abroad depending on where you go, get a better service, and can have the majority of work all carried out within a day or 2 tops. Whether it's worth paying for flights and hotels will depend, although you could arrange to have the work done right at the end of a holiday whilst you're already in the country.
Really? Oddity as in odd one out which the NHS is.
Publically funded doesn't mean you have to have a single state run provider. It is in this regard that the NHS is the oddity.
Along the current trajectory large sections of social provision will have collapsed by the time I would reach old age.
Unfortunately we have yet another young generation that increasingly thinks that socialism is the answer to societies issues.
Even in this thread 'solutions' have been put forward that include forcing all dentists to carry out state mandated work at a (low) rate the state dictates.
Anyone who know anything about incentives and attempts by states to meddle in this fashion in the past should be able to see why such approaches will make the situation worse and not better.
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And if/when the "turkey teeth" goes wrong, let's lump the rectification work onto the NHS? It's happening now.
Getting rid of something that benefits vast amounts of society simply because you believe you may not personally benefit from it in the future is a little short sighted TBH...
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I don’t bother doing mine in the UK. It’s a pain to get an appointment and you don’t go for more than a year then they take you off the books. I just do it in S.Korea now. Walk in, seen straight away and £30 for a checkup plus a deep clean and polish.
I must have missed the bit where I suggested getting rid of state or at least centrally funded healthcare?
Neither pointing out that
1) the UK provides state funded healthcare in a fashion almost no other country (including thoose with far better health outcomes) does
2) or that social provision might collapse anyway at least in part because of the stupid ideas put forward to 'fix' it
Would constitute me advocating to 'get rid' of centrally funded healthcare.
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While not exactly the same there are around a dozen countries with systems along the same lines as the NHS, some of them were fully funded single provider at some point, though like with the UK many of them unfortunately are going along the path of mixed private and social care and mostly further along the line, with corresponding reduction in the quality of healthcare and social inequality... (one metric being the increase in waiting time which has the knock on effect of worse outcomes).
Socialism isn't the answer to societies issues is hugely simplifying - you don't need to embrace socialism wholesale to have a society which takes care of the basic needs of things like housing and healthcare through approaches which are more socialism like - a happier, healthier society helps society and opportunity in general to grow.
The overall tone of your posts and positions you embrace tends to suggest you lean more towards getting rid of state funded healthcare.
Most of the countries with better healthcare outcomes are either fully funded universal healthcare or small rich populations (sometimes with compulsory private healthcare insurance).
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Maybe they look at the world and think its failing them. Zero chance of getting on the housing ladder unless they get 6 figure jobs or their parents hook them up with a mega deposit. My parents bought in 1970 and the house cost 3x my dad's salary. What can you buy for £96k now?
Lots of countries with social democratic systems and they tend to have great public services and happy citizens. Anyway its the young generations job to challenge the status quo, that is how society evolves and doesn't become stagnant.
I don't see a problem with mandating if you do X job (which, let's face it, is very well paid) that you do some nhs work.
The NHS work doesn't have to be badly paid.
What do you want? That people just die of completely preventable issues because they are poor and the rich are taking all the excess?
I know what I'd rather.
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100k salary isn't much these days, barely a living wage apparently....
If you have a National Health System it should be for health care across all parts of a person, not the separate services in place at the minute. vanity that exists now ie bigger boobs, dazzling smile (that looks so false) and cosmetic surgery. These types of procedure should only be done in cases of needs to be done and not wants to be done. If you want it done you pay, if you want to get to see someone quickly you pay up. Allow health care professionals to do both but not to the detriment of the NHS. Also the management system needs to be addressed as there are to many pen pushers and not enough actual working staff. Yes the payment for NHS patients should be better but it should not be the same as private patients. My wife, son and nephew all work for the NHS in various roles.
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Slightly surprised so many here use an NHS Dentist
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Never had a private one in my 52 years. Sounds like I've been lucky.
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I just had some bonding done on my teeth last week,£1500 but so worth it.
Somewhat more relevant is how long until the Conservatives start fixing issues? Because they seem inept to me.
When I was growing up pretty much everyone did, at least within my circle of acquaintances, even those well off, the only people with private dental care were mega wealthy. And it worked so there was no reason to do anything different. Although in hindsight for a couple of things I'd have gone private if I'd realised it was an option as there was the possibility of having a more advanced procedure and avoiding future issues (probably) but being in my late teens at the time I didn't have awareness of that and no one bothered to inform me.
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My colleague having family in India had two new crowns replaced at her family’s dentist. She paid £360 for both of them - the same work in the UK - about £1200