What the hell is going on in this country regarding dentistry?

Puzzled said:
They could ban MPs from using private healthcare, would be an incentive for them to make sure the system works.
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Its in most tories interst for the NHS to collapse. After all. It's a burden paid for and not used.

However...i do wonder how the NHS keeps the private healthcare here in check.
Ie if the NHS wasn't here.. Would private healthcare costs rocket as no competition?
 
Caracus2k said:
Yes the ones that don't acknowledge that the primary problem with healthcare in general is that it's getting much more expensive to provide, on a per capita basis, and that very little of this has to do with the differing policies of the main political parties in the UK
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Can’t people of your ilk see that one issue is exasperating the other? Private is always the more expensive option.

Government could solve this problem.
 
413x said:
Its in most tories interst for the NHS to collapse. After all. It's a burden paid for and not used.

However...i do wonder how the NHS keeps the private healthcare here in check.
Ie if the NHS wasn't here.. Would private healthcare costs rocket as no competition?
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This government seems more than stupid enough to want that. The Conservative party are becoming a joke, they have delivered virtually nothing, but landed the nation with the bill anyway.
 
jigger said:
Can’t people of your ilk see that one issue is exasperating the other? Private is always the more expensive option.

Government could solve this problem.
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Oh bless.....

'Governments could solve problems'

Because the history of governments taking over formerly private run enterprises has such a brilliant track record of course....

Dentistry has always been 'private' in this country. A fact that seems to have eluded many in this thread.

The state (NHS) has just paid dentists to carry out work on its behalf and the rates aren't competitive enough anymore for most to bother.

You thinking you cam make dentistry 'cheaper' by nationalising it (what you are suggesting in effect would be this) might be 'cheaper' in some regards but only because far fewer people would want to train to be dentists and far more of the trained ones would look elsewhere to make money.
 
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jigger said:
I voted for others to. They made a mess of it.
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? You voted for others to do what exactly

And what has you voting for something got to do with forcing people to carry out work that the goverment mandates them to carry out at a renumeration rate also set by the state?
 
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413x said:
Its in most tories interst for the NHS to collapse. After all. It's a burden paid for and not used.

However...i do wonder how the NHS keeps the private healthcare here in check.
Ie if the NHS wasn't here.. Would private healthcare costs rocket as no competition?
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Healthcare costs would rocket, this is well known, along with the reasons.

1. Hospitals will charge the maximum that insurance will cover for, leading to single operations costing hundreds of thousands of $/£. Everybody is then required to have insurance or face bankruptcy after a hospital visit.
2. Individual hospitals lack the collective bargaining power that the NHS has, leading to higher costs for drugs, etc.
3. Need to make profit/returns for shareholders (see the current privatised water situation/fiasco).
 
Ayahuasca said:
I know you're joking, but they definitely aren't! Imagine not being able to chew any real food for years on end because the pain is too much.

There have been people who have committed suicide because of severe and constant toothache as they have no real way of getting it fixed, especially in America where it can cost five figures to get really serious problems fixed.
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When my wisdom tooth was breaking through the pain was a tad less painful than gallstones.
 
413x said:
Should be (with all private health care) you have to do. A certain proportion of NHS work.
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Advocating that others must carry out compulsory labour maybe isn't quite as noble as you might think it is.

I'm sure you would find it quite objectionable if you were told you had to work for the state for a proportion of your time, that this was compulsory whether or not you already worked for the goverment, that this would be paid at a lower rate than your normal job and that you must do this do on top of still paying all the usual taxes.
 
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Caracus2k said:
? You voted for others to do what exactly

And what has you voting for something got to do with forcing people to carry out work that the goverment mandates them to carry out at a renumeration rate also set by the state?
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To resolve the dentistry problem as per topic.

If private density’s can’t manage the NHS workload properly they need adjust the amount of private work to a reasonable level. Currently the NHS to Private work ratio is way off and that’s putting up prices.
 
No government can do anything worthwhile. I was told that by my history teacher in the late 70's, still holds true whether they are Conservative, Labour or Liberal.
 
jigger said:
To resolve the dentistry problem as per topic.
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How?
jigger said:
If private density’s can’t manage the NHS workload properly
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The money the NHS pays isn't enough to incetivise enough dentists to do the work.

How would paying them less than they could otherwise earn ensure that more and not fewer people trained as dentists *and* remained in the UK to work once trained?

jigger said:
they need adjust the amount of private work to a reasonable level.
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They are private businesses. It's not up to the state to dictate to them how they should run their businesses.

jigger said:
Currently the NHS to Private work ratio is way off and that’s putting up prices.
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The NHS paid work has rates far lower than dentists can obtain on the open market.

The idea that the state can successfully dictate how much something can or should cost has repeatedly been shown to be one of the most stupid ideas conceived by humans but yet again here you are advocating for it!

We already know what happens when the state tries to force goods or service to be provided below their market value...


... namley that the supply of that good or service rapidly diminishes and the quality also goes down.
 
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Caracus2k said:
How?

The money the NHS pays isn't enough to incetivise enough dentists to do the work.

How would paying them less than they could otherwise earn ensure that more and not fewer people trained as dentists *and* remained in the UK to work once trained?



They are private businesses. It's not up to the state to dictate to them how they should run their businesses.



The NHS paid work has rates far lower than dentists can obtain on the open market.

The idea that the state can successfully dictate how much something can or should cost has repeatedly been shown to be one of the most stupid ideas conceived by humans but yet again here you are advocating for it!

We already know what happens when the state tries to force goods or service to be provided below their market value...


... namley that the supply of that good or service rapidly diminishes and the quality also goes down.
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Only a fool would believe private density is good value. It’s forced through being held to ransom and well beyond the means of most.
 
tonys said:
No government can do anything worthwhile. I was told that by my history teacher in the late 70's, still holds true whether they are Conservative, Labour or Liberal.
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Yeah, but now we talking about other forms of governance. I’m open to be offered alternatives to democracy, but not any of the other forms I’ve seen.
 
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