What to do with teenagers?

[peetee]

National service no way i refuse out right to fire a gun. yes you get people more disciplined but your also saying that violence is ok. longer education maybe the way to go but if say 2 subjects are compulsory at A level means that people can fit a part time job around there school time.

Im guessing you're about 17.

Longer education? urm, nobody takes education seriously anymore, longer education definately is not the way. Why should people be forced to do A-levels, they are useless for 90% of kids tbh, I know mine are, nearly as useless as my degree really.
People need trades, not meaningless pieces of paper(lets face it, most a-levels are jokes and are never called upon again in life), national service would generally mean most were also giving educational opportunitys with trades etc.
Why wont you shoot a gun? are you a sissy or something, are you scared its going to blow up and kill you, or is it too noisy? You wont be shooting anything but objects, you can also refuse outright to be a combatant, there are lots of careers in the armed forces who support the troops, you can be a dentist, nurse, chef chaplain, list goes on.
Armed Forces doesnt mean violence, They are a deterant to violence, it means enforced discipline etc so people are less likely to be violent, you should try and see if theres any 'Bad Lads Army' episodes floating about On-Demand, its actually a pretty good example of why a lot of people believe national service should be brought back in, in some form.
Speaking as a 21year old, whos been to college, whos in final year at university, whos experienced a lot in countries with national service and has had a fair tour of britain too.

 

[fonzee]

Why not try and come up with a way of tackling the route of the problem? IMO that's where these type of people live, how their parents bring them up etc... rather than scapegoating that national service would solve all problems and put discipline.

lets face it, this isnt going to happen. the attitude of the parents in most cases are as bad as their children. hell, some of these parents are kids themselves

national service it is

 

[camels5]

curfew..make them stay in and annoy their own parents for a change

Mine do this already

 

[Jono]

I don't know how many of you knew Paras on these forums. As a longtime member (no really.. i've been here since 2001!) He probably never knew I existed but I certainly read his posts. He was a very happy vibrant young guy who loved having fun with his life. Yet he went in for national service and is now dead. I don't want to sound like im sure of the facts but even Paras' case aside, look into the suicide rates of young people in countries with forced national service. NOBODY should be forced to become a "warrior" for their country, not in the west, not while we have the concepts of free speech and a free society.

Is he? I thought he was alive, and well and moving to australia.

You mean Pyro?

 

[manic_man]

Im guessing you're about 17.

Longer education? urm, nobody takes education seriously anymore, longer education definately is not the way. Why should people be forced to do A-levels, they are useless for 90% of kids tbh, I know mine are, nearly as useless as my degree really.
People need trades, not meaningless pieces of paper(lets face it, most a-levels are jokes and are never called upon again in life), national service would generally mean most were also giving educational opportunitys with trades etc.
Why wont you shoot a gun? are you a sissy or something, are you scared its going to blow up and kill you, or is it too noisy? You wont be shooting anything but objects, you can also refuse outright to be a combatant, there are lots of careers in the armed forces who support the troops, you can be a dentist, nurse, chef chaplain, list goes on.
Armed Forces doesnt mean violence, They are a deterant to violence, it means enforced discipline etc so people are less likely to be violent, you should try and see if theres any 'Bad Lads Army' episodes floating about On-Demand, its actually a pretty good example of why a lot of people believe national service should be brought back in, in some form.
Speaking as a 21year old, whos been to college, whos in final year at university, whos experienced a lot in countries with national service and has had a fair tour of britain too.

90% of kids? Interesting statistic.

I wonder how it is that British society has evolved so there are less people in abject poverty and more, well into what the rest of the world would call a luxurious lifestyle, and yes that even includes some council estate types, they are warm when they want to be, cool when they want to be, own their own cars, always have food (maybe not the best but its still there.)

I wonder if there could be a link between the social underclasses becoming educated and this amazing reform in British lifestyle in the past 50 or so years?

if not then I absolutely agree, send everyone between 16 and 20 either to war, or train them to go to war if need be or let them become coal miners again or something....

Honestly, how can somebody who has clearly been through even a higher education facility have left without even an inkling as to the power of knowledge????

you have the knowledge, damn well do something with it rather than expecting it to work for you...

 

[Spend_day]

National service does not mean violence is ok or that you have to become a trigger-happy madman.

There are literally hundreds, if not tens of hundreds of non-combat roles in the military which cover pretty much everything from cooking to managing communications. I wish people wouldn't have knee-jerk reactions like this.

Most people who do national service will probably never even see a theatre of war unless they stay on.

ok i may have over reacted, in these no combat roles do you still have to do basic training. as in learn to fire a rifle/ do any sort of combat training. im not saying every1 will be a trigger happy mad man just that military in general does have violent pretty high on the agenda and you cant be in an environment like that without having certain principles instilled in you

 

[randal]

What do you propose specifically?

With the politically correct mob dispatched, schools and parents would be in a better position to instil a sense of discipline by more traditional methods such as dare I say it a clip round the ear or a fitting punishment.

There was a debate on LBC yesterday about excessive "violence towards children" causing more problems than it solves, but the majority of people were in agreement that a restrained amount of fitting punishment was beneficial. I for one was smacked when I was naughty, and punishment was delivered when it was needed and with the right amount. I'm grateful for it, and it taught me a sense of boundary and control.

These days where parents are frowned upon for even looking at their child with some much as a angry expression, how the hell are we supposed to illustrate to children that they're in the wrong? Stern words and the naughty step certainly aren't working if the amount of stabbings, beatings and murders are to be seen - or even less sensationalist, the general attitude of kids these days. When I was growing up I wouldn't dream of talking to adults the way I've seen some of the little bar stewards do, let alone blare music out of my phone in a public place with utter contempt for the people around me.

Sadly, without the ability to guide wayward children with suitable punishment for their misdeeds they will never learn the error of their ways and as a result will go on in life making these mistakes. Then, passing their "teachings" down to the next generation - who will invariably get worse.

Alas all the above, the ways in which a lot of us were raised - are all useless in a society where children can cry wolf because they feel their "human rights are being breached".

I'm pretty sure a lot a of people are going to disagree with some, if not all of the above. I'm not advocate punching a naughty child in the face for not eating their dinner or talking back, but restrained and fitting punishment should be allowed by reasonable parents in my opinion.

 

[platypus]

You don't have to use guns in the army, there are plenty of other ways to fulfil national service. I'm a big fan of reintroducing national service, I wouldn't have minded doing it myself.

Bringing back corporal punishment, and allowing people to properly discipline their children. And the abolishment of the ridiculous wall to hide behind that is "human rights".

Other then that, Battle Royale is as good an idea as any.

 

[NokkonWud]

I don't know how many of you knew Paras on these forums. As a longtime member (no really.. i've been here since 2001!) He probably never knew I existed but I certainly read his posts. He was a very happy vibrant young guy who loved having fun with his life. Yet he went in for national service and is now dead. I don't want to sound like im sure of the facts but even Paras' case aside, look into the suicide rates of young people in countries with forced national service. NOBODY should be forced to become a "warrior" for their country, not in the west, not while we have the concepts of free speech and a free society.

Pretty sure you're talking about Pyro, not Paras.

 

[Cupra]

Ship them to the moon.

fixed

 

[manic_man]

With the politically correct mob dispatched, schools and parents would be in a better position to instil a sense of discipline by more traditional methods such as dare I say it a clip round the ear or a fitting punishment.

There was a debate on LBC yesterday about excessive "violence towards children" causing more problems than it solves, but the majority of people were in agreement that a restrained amount of fitting punishment was beneficial. I for one was smacked when I was naughty, and punishment was delivered when it was needed and with the right amount. I'm grateful for it, and it taught me a sense of boundary and control.

These days where parents are frowned upon for even looking at their child with some much as a angry expression, how the hell are we supposed to illustrate to children that they're in the wrong? Stern words and the naughty step certainly aren't working if the amount of stabbings, beatings and murders are to be seen - or even less sensationalist, the general attitude of kids these days. When I was growing up I wouldn't dream of talking to adults the way I've seen some of the little bar stewards do, let alone blare music out of my phone in a public place with utter contempt for the people around me.

Sadly, without the ability to guide wayward children with suitable punishment for their misdeeds they will never learn the error of their ways and as a result will go on in life making these mistakes. Then, passing their "teachings" down to the next generation - who will invariably get worse.

Alas all the above, the ways in which a lot of us were raised - are all useless in a society where children can cry wolf because they feel their "human rights are being breached".

I'm pretty sure a lot a of people are going to disagree with some, if not all of the above. I'm not advocate punching a naughty child in the face for not eating their dinner or talking back, but restrained and fitting punishment should be allowed by reasonable parents in my opinion.

Agree with all that

Was just intrested in the specifics behind your statement.

i used to get a clip round the ear when I did something very wrong (but only the VERY wrong things) and I very quickly learned what was right and what was very wrong (and the shouting at me filled in the "just" wrong things).

And im only 24 so not exactly someone from the 50's or 60's or something. Most people I know in their teens now have never experienced any form of true discipline, citing teachers who sometimes got a bit angry and sent them out of the classroom as really strict people who shouldn't have their job :\

 

[manic_man]

Pretty sure you're talking about Pyro, not Paras.

God your right :\ its very early. (for me )

heh Paras isnt going to be happy!!! I'll go fix it.

 

[shaffaaf27]

HELL IN A CELL!!11!11

But seriously, I think after the GCSEs are done, if you don't choose A-levels, or to do National Service, then surely doing an apprenticeship in a field that suites yourself is the best? (NO DRUG DEALING )

 

[Darkwave]

ok i may have over reacted, in these no combat roles do you still have to do basic training. as in learn to fire a rifle/ do any sort of combat training. im not saying every1 will be a trigger happy mad man just that military in general does have violent pretty high on the agenda and you cant be in an environment like that without having certain principles instilled in you

Yes, even people in non-combat roles learn some very fundamental arms training but that's purely for defence. Unless you have a problem with defending yourself, I don't see what the problem would be.

If you're in a non-combat role you could be doing god knows what, god knows where, a thousand miles away from any actual war. There's a lot more to the army than getting shot at.

 

[bakes0310]

Im guessing you're about 17.

Longer education? urm, nobody takes education seriously anymore, longer education definately is not the way. Why should people be forced to do A-levels, they are useless for 90% of kids tbh, I know mine are, nearly as useless as my degree really.
People need trades, not meaningless pieces of paper(lets face it, most a-levels are jokes and are never called upon again in life), national service would generally mean most were also giving educational opportunitys with trades etc.
Why wont you shoot a gun? are you a sissy or something, are you scared its going to blow up and kill you, or is it too noisy? You wont be shooting anything but objects, you can also refuse outright to be a combatant, there are lots of careers in the armed forces who support the troops, you can be a dentist, nurse, chef chaplain, list goes on.
Armed Forces doesnt mean violence, They are a deterant to violence, it means enforced discipline etc so people are less likely to be violent, you should try and see if theres any 'Bad Lads Army' episodes floating about On-Demand, its actually a pretty good example of why a lot of people believe national service should be brought back in, in some form.
Speaking as a 21year old, whos been to college, whos in final year at university, whos experienced a lot in countries with national service and has had a fair tour of britain too.

well said

I think national service is the way forward and will get these scum off the street, and come back a man.

 

[Spend_day]

Im guessing you're about 17.

19

Why should people be forced to do A-levels, they are useless for 90% of kids tbh, I know mine are, nearly as useless as my degree really.

ok then A level or equivalent. i didn't do any A levels but a BTEC national diploma in IT. i now am a I.T. administrator at a local call centre its not a flashy job but i only need one of those useless bit of paper to do it

Why wont you shoot a gun? are you a sissy or something,

because of what it represents, you basically learning how to kill,
and before any1 says dont you play computer games with guns any1 here who cant distinguish between the real world and a computer games i suggest you hop on down to your local secure medical unit and ask for a nice room with padding.

 

[Vasquez]

more community spirit, teenagers need to feel ashamed when they do something wrong in their community, root of the problem tbh.

also, most national services in other countries have an opt out scheme where you go to work for a charity instead.

someone should start a petition to reintroduce it.

 

[Darkwave]

because of what it represents, you basically learning how to kill

You already know how to kill, and I'd bet every note in my wallet you know at least ten ways to kill a man, but that doesn't mean you will/want to kill somebody. Soldiers don't want to do it either, and it's rare they do these days unless they're right up on the front lines or whatever.

someone should start a petition to reintroduce it.

It'd never be passed, nanny state at work.

 

[Spend_day]

You already know how to kill, and I'd bet every note in my wallet you know at least ten ways to kill a man.

That doesn't mean you will do it, or want to do it. Soldiers don't want to do it either.

there a difference between generally knowing how to do something and actively training to do it

more community spirit, teenagers need to feel ashamed when they do something wrong in their community, root of the problem tbh.

also, most national services in other countries have an opt out scheme where you go to work for a charity instead.

someone should start a petition to reintroduce it.

why have national service at all charity work and community service are much more productive

 

[Nitrojan]

What a stupid idea.. I fail to see how this will help communities..