What to do with teenagers?

there a difference between generally knowing how to do something and actively training to do it
In that case see what I said above.

There are tons of non-combat roles, and the only firearms training you would learn would be purely for defence. How many times have you heard of an army chef/barber/priest being the last man standing and having to kill enemy combatants? :p
 
ou already know how to kill, and I'd bet every note in my wallet you know at least ten ways to kill a man, but that doesn't mean you will/want to kill somebody. Soldiers don't want to do it either, and it's rare they do these days unless they're right up on the front lines or whatever.

The people I know that went into the services changed, and not for the better. Not unless you class huge ego, belief others should obey them and arrogance as an improvement
 
The people I know that went into the services changed, and not for the better. Not unless you class huge ego, belief others should obey them and arrogance as an improvement
That's just something we'll have to agree to disagree on then, since we obviously don't know the same people.
 
those things really hurt my ears. it is like a 60hz TV whine but worse. Most of other people my age (19) cant hear them but they are quite annoying. There is only one near where I live and it is outside the bloody night club.

new way of selecting people to ID. if there ears are bleeding ID them :p
 
doesn't mean you shouldn't try
That's true. I wouldn't personally know where to start though.

Suppose I could send a letter to my MP but as I'm 22 now it'll probably be fobbed off as having a "grumpy 20-something annoyed with teenagers" attitude. That's not why I support national service though, I wanted to join the marines after school.
 
90% of kids? Interesting statistic.

if not then I absolutely agree, send everyone between 16 and 20 either to war, or train them to go to war if need be or let them become coal miners again or something....

Honestly, how can somebody who has clearly been through even a higher education facility have left without even an inkling as to the power of knowledge???? :confused:

you have the knowledge, damn well do something with it rather than expecting it to work for you...

90%, maybes slight OTT, Out of my friends etc at uni I would say 70% then, but then you have all the people who do college and then just work, ok maybe Ill go back to 90%. Im doing a IT based degree, I did a maths a-level and a computing one, neither is relevant at all to my degree, I apply no 'skills' or knowledge that I learned in either. I also do a business type module, My business studies GCSE does not help me in that.
Im going through higher education and that is why I have made these comments, because I think education is mostly a joke, you are mostly taught howto pass exams etc, thats not very useful in the real world.

Yes, because national service means sending someone to war? Blatently, because that would be smart. How about just train them to be 'a cog in the machine' and give them valuable skills and training, and not send them to war, but keep the armed services functioning properly?

Its not so irrational you know, Iv got siblings in the forces, they havnt seen real action(my sisters fought pirates here and there but thats hardly WAR), so why would 16-20 year olds be sent to all out war? It would likely be agreed that if national service were to be re-introduced that only professional armed forces personel were on hostile turf at war etc, unless we were fully commited to an all out war of somewhat substantial magnitude.


Hm, 19, not far off then, Thats good you've got a qual that actually has helped you, the BTECs etc and apprentiships are the way forward in my eyes compared to a-levels, its starting to dawn on people that academics is the wrong way to go for a vast amount of youths.
You can generally skip bothering with Further Ed and be offered employment at companys that will send you to recognised training courses etc and gain the real qualifications that companys look for, With a-levels in IT or a degree in networking im sure that you will still need a Cisco Qualification or whatever it is?

You know you can get IT training in the armed forces, they have networks that need administrators too you know, so if you were younger and it was enforced you would have the option to go down that path, and then be able to go straight into a network admin job. Not so harsh is it? Dont hear of many armed forces IT staff or network admins fighting in afghan etc do you?
 
That's true. I wouldn't personally know where to start though.

Suppose I could send a letter to my MP but as I'm 22 now it'll probably be fobbed off as having a "grumpy 20-something annoyed with teenagers" attitude. That's not why I support national service though, I wanted to join the marines after school.

no I wouldn't know either, you would need a lot of coverage to get people to sign it as well though.
 
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I feel like we should be getting commission for this. :p :D

indeed, too many younguns who have false perceptions of the armed forces and are afraid to get hands dirty too!

Armed forces doesnt mean gun = kill
You get taught howto defend yourself, I think you can claim consciencious objector and then would not even be given firearms training if you felt strongly about it?
National Service re-introduction would not mean the same as it did last century in GB, it could be possible that firearms training would not be given as standard, people could opt for it though, because the nation's mothers wouldnt want their sons trained to be soldiers with guns, theres no real arguement against training them as support personel though is there?
 
Hm, 19, not far off then, Thats good you've got a qual that actually has helped you, the BTECs etc and apprentiships are the way forward in my eyes compared to a-levels, its starting to dawn on people that academics is the wrong way to go for a vast amount of youths.
You can generally skip bothering with Further Ed and be offered employment at companys that will send you to recognised training courses etc and gain the real qualifications that companys look for, With a-levels in IT or a degree in networking im sure that you will still need a Cisco Qualification or whatever it is?

You know you can get IT training in the armed forces, they have networks that need administrators too you know, so if you were younger and it was enforced you would have the option to go down that path, and then be able to go straight into a network admin job. Not so harsh is it? Dont hear of many armed forces IT staff or network admins fighting in afghan etc do you?

i know you can get IT training in the forces and i dont really have a problem with the forces in general (one of my best mates is training to join the army), or those who choose that life and it consequences. its the idea of being forced into the institution that i dont agree with the principles of, where it is possible to get the same rounded individuals and instil similar principles via standard educational facilities (naturally they’d need a bit of an overhaul)
 
i know you can get IT training in the forces and i dont really have a problem with the forces in general (one of my best mates is training to join the army), or those who choose that life and it consequences. its the idea of being forced into the institution that i dont agree with the principles of, where it is possible to get the same rounded individuals and instil similar principles via standard educational facilities (naturally they’d need a bit of an overhaul)
You could always say you're gay, problem solved. :p

Or have they changed that policy now?
 
90%, maybes slight OTT, Out of my friends etc at uni I would say 70% then, but then you have all the people who do college and then just work, ok maybe Ill go back to 90%. Im doing a IT based degree, I did a maths a-level and a computing one, neither is relevant at all to my degree, I apply no 'skills' or knowledge that I learned in either. I also do a business type module, My business studies GCSE does not help me in that.
Im going through higher education and that is why I have made these comments, because I think education is mostly a joke, you are mostly taught howto pass exams etc, thats not very useful in the real world.

I have been through 2 degrees in 2 different instituions and am now doing my third.

I have found both experiences to truly enrich my personality, my people skills and also my own personal confidence. I have been taught to think analytically, I know so so much more about electronic computation then when I started at the tender age of 18, and I fully expect once I have completed my final degree that I will be a reasonably well qualified expert in my chosen field, with a bit of luck I should be able to pursue what interests me.

I have never once had the urge to fight someone or be a "rowdy" teenager etc. Of course I had a few scrapes at school, but who doesn't?

The problem with our youth is down to a society where blame can be pawed off to non existent concepts such as political correctness rather than specifically to an individual. Clearly the blame lies with parents and nowehre else.

If a school is failing a child, do what my mum did, change your life, move house, thus moving school, all for the betterment of your child (thanks mum!) If that isnt possible, instill the discipline the school is failing to at home. Those that say you cant give a kid a bit of a smack every now and then are wrong, you can and the consequences will just be as they always were, the kid cries then is eventually sorry and learns a lesson. Forget all this Nanny 911carp. Time out room... LOL!!

i don't think you are making the most of your learning experience. Embrace it for what it is. Do you read around your subject? Apply yourself to other areas? Seek inter departmental work? (computing doesnt just have to stay in the computing building...)

maybe I have gotten lucky with my institutions, but if you are at uni and feel its pointless, then something is either wrong with the uni or yourself imo.
 
i know you can get IT training in the forces and i dont really have a problem with the forces in general (one of my best mates is training to join the army), or those who choose that life and it consequences. its the idea of being forced into the institution that i dont agree with the principles of, where it is possible to get the same rounded individuals and instil similar principles via standard educational facilities (naturally they’d need a bit of an overhaul)

I was forced into school, and forced to stay till I was 16, BOOHOO, you get forced to pay taxes etc, its all part of this country, its just a case of getting on with it mostly. Instil similar principles via educational facilities? I would LOVE to see a teacher try and get in a chavs face about not ironing their ben sherman shirt or shining their steel toe caps enough, and not get stabbed withing 10seconds in london. Whereas in the forces its bye bye all weapons etc, hello standard kit, hello meaty brick**** 'teachers' who are also trained in hand to hand self defense(snap goes chav's arm)
Soon teach the clowns wouldnt it? To be honest, it would literally take 3months to sort most of their heads out.

Our armed forces would become more capable for everything with national service, national defense would be greatly improved(im not talking about defending against other countries etc, Im talking flood help etc, fire service, policing, you get the idea really.
 
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