Caporegime
Which leads to the next questions, why are people this mentally ill and dangerous being allowed in to the country, being allowed to remain and being allowed out?
What’s going on with our justice system?
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Which leads to the next questions, why are people this mentally ill and dangerous being allowed in to the country, being allowed to remain and being allowed out?
Actually that's not true.
If a person is of unsound mind, but this can be managed via medication, and while on their meditation and of sound mind they make the conscious choice to stop taking their medication (knowing and fully understanding the potential risks to themselves and others that could result in) then they can be held accountable for their actions.
Granted the court chose not to hold her accountable in this specific case, but his point is still valid as the courts decision was a ruling not the ruling (the law says they could hold her responsible, not that they must hold her responsible).
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And that makes it right?
And if what you say is absolute why did one judge sentence this guy to 8 years and then the next let him walk?
If the law was beyond judgement we wouldn't have a judiciary. And if laws were God given we'd love by the 10 commandments...
Do you know why he didnt go for help?
He was on.probation for drugs offences and if he had admitted to supplying her while trying to get medical help he would habe been sent down.
What a guy.
And that makes it right?
And if what you say is absolute why did one judge sentence this guy to 8 years and then the next let him walk?
If the law was beyond judgement we wouldn't have a judiciary. And if laws were God given we'd love by the 10 commandments...
Do you know why he didnt go for help?
He was on.probation for drugs offences and if he had admitted to supplying her while trying to get medical help he would habe been sent down.
What a guy.
Rapper, I thought we were getting Doctors, Lawyers and Scientists? You see less public praise and more of these stories by the day. It is all a crooked lie the farmer wants more sheep in his pen to increase his profits. He does not care weither it be black sheep or white sheep or if there is sheep on sheep violence. He only cares about his profits.
I strongly agree with the parts in bold here.
Are you talking about immigration? Isn't Ceon Broughton from Enfield?
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Those frothing at the mouth about the failings of the British Judicial system will be reassured to hear that Eltiona Skana, 30, a paranoid schizophrenic with a long history of mental illness, will serve her sentence in a high-security hospital having been sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum of eight years.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...for-life-for-killing-seven-year-old-in-bolton
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...for-life-for-killing-seven-year-old-in-bolton
Commissario
It's almost like the court knew what it was doing....
Soldato
Remember this.
Shocking, I'm only a few mins drive from there too.
Shocking, I'm only a few mins drive from there too.
Man of Honour
As I thought, the sentencing hadn't occured when you wrote that the sentencing (which didn't exist at the time) was "pretty terrible".
She was sentenced to life imprisonment in a secure mental hospital. Do you think that's a "pretty terrible" sentence?
After seeing the outcome of an appeal to a friend's rape case that the CPS refused to take to trial, I can clearly say the justice system is broken beyond belief.
She was so drunk she couldn't walk and had to be carried to the hotel by friends, she was blacked out whilst this was happening so doesn't even remember it, said she didn't know what was going on when someone else walked in the rape occurring, but supposedly that didn't give enough doubt that she couldn't have given consent. Only to be topped off with "him not ejaculating and still being erect when he withdrew" being another reason that the rapist didn't know she didn't consent. All this done by someone who already had a sexual harm prevention order, and after being arrested, was found to have images on his computer detailing assaults on other women whilst they were unconcious. You couldn't make it up.
She was so drunk she couldn't walk and had to be carried to the hotel by friends, she was blacked out whilst this was happening so doesn't even remember it, said she didn't know what was going on when someone else walked in the rape occurring, but supposedly that didn't give enough doubt that she couldn't have given consent. Only to be topped off with "him not ejaculating and still being erect when he withdrew" being another reason that the rapist didn't know she didn't consent. All this done by someone who already had a sexual harm prevention order, and after being arrested, was found to have images on his computer detailing assaults on other women whilst they were unconcious. You couldn't make it up.
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How the **** do you think that is supposed to be reassuring?
The system already failed and a young child died needlessly as a result of that failure.
And that makes it right?
And if what you say is absolute why did one judge sentence this guy to 8 years and then the next let him walk?
If the law was beyond judgement we wouldn't have a judiciary. And if laws were God given we'd love by the 10 commandments...
Do you know why he didnt go for help?
He was on.probation for drugs offences and if he had admitted to supplying her while trying to get medical help he would habe been sent down.
What a guy.
Imagine being that much of a piece of ****, in his mind he's probably viewing himself as the victim as well
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Would you like to explain how exactly the British Judicial system failed, as a result of which a young child died needlessly?
If you meant to say that the immigration system failed you may well have a point; personally I don't know enough about this particular case to comment.
If you meant to say that the Mental Health Services failed I would certainly agree.
Minimum 8 years! **** off!. What a joke.
Careful, you're looking for nuance where there is none. It's GD which means this women either get's the bullet or the block and anything you say that isn't that is basically like holding the knife yourself!
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Tbh getting black out drunk is extremely dangerous and people are risking their lives and extremely lucky to get away unharmed each time. This country has a huge drinking culture which encourages excessive drinking rather than social drinking.
I'm not saying they deserved it far from it. But nobody is educated on the reality that you could die from binge drinking. When your blackout drunk one slip and bang your head and God knows how long before someone finds you. What happened in this scenario happens all the time. There is a documentary on Netflix about a famous case at a college in America as an example.
It comes down to what evidence you have. Witnesses, etc. That's the key thing without evidence how can they take it to trial? What evidence was there of rape? They could have found fake rape videos on his laptop but that doesn't prove that he raped her.
Also people have been wrongly convicted of rape it's not a perfect system. Unfortunately you have to operate by the law and how it works and tbh it's done that way for a reason. Or would you rather they lock up people with no real evidence or witnesses.
Was he done for the anything related to the images they found? Because sometimes it's easier to drop a harder to prove charge and go for the easy wins with evidence to support.
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With a history of violence including two counts of assault (one arguably a self-confessed attempt at murder), she has been arrested and sectioned several times under the Mental Health Act, with quite a few escapes resulting in subsequent arrests to recapture her, plus with continued refusal to comply with medication and other therapies, the various authorities had sufficient evidence that she presented a danger to people to warrant her permanant incarceration. Instead various points were ignored, improperly documented and in some cased not documented at all, resulting in the improper assessment and subsequent failure to keep a dangerous individual from murdering a child.
If you're ever sectioned, it won't just be anybody doing so - The person sectioning you will have specific legal powers and the specific authority to do so under the Mental Health Act. That authority derives from the Crown Court, and when they section you they are acting on behalf of the court. In short, that element of their role is part of the Judiciary system.
Happy?
Soldato
Yes I did a double take at that. If, as I would assume should happen she will never be released, why give an 8 year minimum term!
Or are they going to say she's all better and let her out again...