When are you going fully electric?

[b0rn2sk8]

I'm hearing so many electric vehicles owners going back to ice/hybrid. I think that EVs are a blind alley we've be going down. Hydrogen is probably the way forward eventually.

Surveys suggest the opposite is the case:

More than 9 in 10 EV drivers would not return to ICE vehicles

A new survey of current EV owners has found that more than nine in 10 (93%) would not go back to driving an internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle. Car

fleetworld.co.uk

I'm genuinely interested as to why you think hydrogen is the way forward, can you elaborate on that at all?

I assume it is not the running costs that attract you to Hydrogen cars (currently as low as 3p/mile for an EV vs 15p/mile for petrol vs 50p/mile for hydrogen).

ANALYSIS | It is now almost 14 times more expensive to drive a Toyota hydrogen car in California than a comparable Tesla EV | Hydrogen Insight

The state’s largest H2 fuel supplier has hiked its pump price to $36 per kg across all 37 of its filling stations

www.hydrogeninsight.com

 

[lordrobs]

I'm hearing so many electric vehicles owners going back to ice/hybrid. I think that EVs are a blind alley we've be going down. Hydrogen is probably the way forward eventually.

The future is the DeLorean from Back to the Future that runs on banana skins and old tea bags.

It's just running a bit behind schedule. First step is a state owned Chinese company resurrecting the DeLorean brand.

 

[Brando]

Terror on M62 as police save driver after car stops being able to brake

Police raced to the scene after an electric car suffered a dangerous fault while driving along the busy motorway

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Hmmm, speculation it's a 'common' water leak that caused it... Fun

 

[lordrobs]

Im about to get my 3rd EV in a row so like to throw some opposition to that claim.

Yours are company issue from JLR aren't they?

If you were buying yourself would you have / still be opting for EV?

 

[Jonnycoupe]

I wouldn’t have an F type either so tbh my view is irrelevant really. I wouldn’t be able to afford either car. Can’t ever see me having a 4 cylinder diesel again regardless.

 

[squerble]

I'm hearing so many electric vehicles owners going back to ice/hybrid. I think that EVs are a blind alley we've be going down. Hydrogen is probably the way forward eventually.

I had an EV, went back to ICE, now regret it. Model 3 incoming asap.

 

[DarrenM343]

Covering long distances frequently would be the only thing that'd tempt me or if I wanted a weekend toy but in this case would be in addition to an EV. I definitely don't think I could own a manual car again. While more engaging, changing gears manually just seems a little backward now.

Just had my first big EV specific part repair bill too but hasn't put me off, as long as such expenses don't become the yearly norm.

 

[Simon]

Had a ID4 77kWh for the evening. Not a bad car for just getting about.

 

[keyser van someone]

I need to do some more accurate readings but it seems that most days i'm using 11% for my 23 mile commute, and this week, 3 days 33% used I've used the cabin preheating on the bluelink app every day (which is the best thing ever). Monday morning everyone's car was frozen, but mine I can't use the scheduled preheating because that only works when plugged in (and comes on 30 mins before hand), just the manual preheating using the app, it only stays on for 10 mins, I assume so it doesn't use too much battery. I can also include windscreen defrost, heated rear, steering wheel and mirrors.

64kw battery, 1% = 0.64kw, 55% * .64 = 35.2kw per week for commuting including cabin preheating

Also for some reason the car has the good tyres on the rear and cheap blackarrow tyres on the front so that should improve grip a bit when I replace them with all good ones.

hydrogen talk: Assuming all hydrogen is green, it's still a combustion engine and it needs gears. Why would I wanna go back to that? Electric is all the torque, in one gear, instantly, woop.

 

[silvagti]

I had an EV, went back to ICE, now regret it. Model 3 incoming asap.

What made you switch back to ICE and now back to EV again? Just curious what prompted the change back and forth!

I’m still mulling over whether to go EV or ICE for my next car?

 

[pc-guy]

Pure ICE car days are numbered. You will get hybrids as years roll on.

Hybrids are worse con than ICE especially the plug in ones. Self charging ones yeah ok.

 

[jpaul]

well chancellor didn't do anything to promote private ev sales from the 1/4 they currently are - nothing from flip-flop&Co to say what they would do.

I need to do some more accurate readings but it seems that most days i'm using 11% for my 23 mile commute, and this week, 3 days 33% used I've used the cabin preheating on the bluelink app every day (which is the best thing ever).

64kw battery, 1% = 0.64kw, 55% * .64 = 35.2kw per week for commuting including cabin preheating

seems good 3.3m/kwh ... what's the avg speed

 

[Journey]

I'm hearing so many electric vehicles owners going back to ice/hybrid. I think that EVs are a blind alley we've be going down. Hydrogen is probably the way forward eventually.

Will personally never go back, and don't have a second car as an ICE only BEV for best part of 4 years. Why would I want to go back to a noisy, smelly, rubbish 0-30MPH times, inconvenience of having to take the car somewhere to refuel it, and with the next one the ability to run my entire house from the battery in the car, and be a huge store of free or cheap electricity. Oh yeah, and never having to scrape an icy car windscreen again.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

hydrogen talk: Assuming all hydrogen is green, it's still a combustion engine and it needs gears. Why would I wanna go back to that? Electric is all the torque, in one gear, instantly, woop.

Fuel cells

Hydrogen ICE will be deleted from the roads because of the emissions even if it is 'green' due to the NOX issue. It's not all about climate change, local pollution is as much of an issue.

 

[keyser van someone]

seems good 3.3m/kwh ... what's the avg speed

60/40 30/50mph, the trip said 4.1m/kw this morning (flashes up with a quick last trip summary when turning off). But last week I thought the efficiency took a hit, I think it's mostly down to the current temperature. Maybe with the preheating it's taking a down a bit. That might make sense as the cabin is already warmed so the tripped journey is then reporting better efficiency than if I'd heated cabin on route. Last week I wasn't using preheating but the heater was on while driving of course.

Just to confuse things there is also the miles per kw reading on the dash which was lower, maybe 3.9 this morning so maybe that's an average of the last 20 miles or something.

 

[silvagti]

I’m liking the look of the new Hyundai Ioniq 5N.

IONIQ 5 N

Discover the Hyundai IONIQ 5 N, our first all-electric N model, a high-performance electric vehicle with 478 kW / 650 PS to propel you from 0-62 mph in 3.4 seconds.

www.hyundai.com

Does anyone on here have an Ioniq 5? How does it compare to something like a Tesla model 3 or a BMW i4?

 

[DarrenM343]

Pure ICE car days are numbered. You will get hybrids as years roll on.

Hybrids are worse con than ICE especially the plug in ones. Self charging ones yeah ok.

I'd say it's the other way around. Self charging is a con although I wouldn't quite call them that, the plug-in ones are not. And plug-in hybrids are also self-charging anyway (under braking or can switch mode to recharge the battery from the engine).

 

[SDK^]

I'm hearing so many electric vehicles owners going back to ice/hybrid. I think that EVs are a blind alley we've be going down. Hydrogen is probably the way forward eventually.

Probably those people that bought one, then on the first longer trip, left home with 50 miles of range to do 200 miles - Then complained there wasn't a hyper fast charger available outside their Waitrose

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Does anyone on here have an Ioniq 5? How does it compare to something like a Tesla model 3 or a BMW i4?

Given the ionic 5 is a crossover/SUV, wouldn't a better comparison be a Tesla Model Y or BMW iX3/iX?

 

[pc-guy]

I'd say it's the other way around. Self charging is a con although I wouldn't quite call them that, the plug-in ones are not. And plug-in hybrids are also self-charging anyway (under braking or can switch mode to recharge the battery from the engine).

Self charging makes sense that the engine is pegged at most efficient rev to provide the necessary electrical supply.

PHEVs however carries a big lump of battery and often times not very efficient yielding low 2miles/kwh. Often times owners don’t use plug in and just drive the car like a normal ICE and again PHEV vs equivalent ICE on ICE mode is way less efficient.

Self charging has smaller battery and is more efficient.