When are you going fully electric?

Don't think I need one but I want one, I have my Ampera plug in hybrid for 3 years now and I have been to the petrol station 3-4 times over the last 3 years. I have a tank of petrol which has been sitting there for over a year, planned to do a long trip which then folded. I don't drive a lot but I do a lot of short trips which the 30 miles range covers it all.

I see some Tesla start dropping to prices like 2nd hand petrol cars prices pre EV era, really tempted to move on but may have to wait till my current car gave up.
 
Thanks for the help, I think I’m going to have to go test drive one and see for my self this week. Realistically what difference is the ryzen chip going to make apart from maybe a touch of speed?

As for lease deals, it’s not a bad shout but the idea of paying large chunks of cash out a month again worry’s me when the price of 3 year old Teslas have more than halved. I guess we don’t have a crystal ball, but in my mind the depreciation should start to steady from this point on and be potentially more normal like ICE vehicles.

If anyone knows a better car for upto £23k than a Model 3 long range either EV or petrol I’m all ears genuinely (family of 4, 1 baby)
 
Thanks for the help, I think I’m going to have to go test drive one and see for my self this week. Realistically what difference is the ryzen chip going to make apart from maybe a touch of speed?

As for lease deals, it’s not a bad shout but the idea of paying large chunks of cash out a month again worry’s me when the price of 3 year old Teslas have more than halved. I guess we don’t have a crystal ball, but in my mind the depreciation should start to steady from this point on and be potentially more normal like ICE vehicles.

If anyone knows a better car for upto £23k than a Model 3 long range either EV or petrol I’m all ears genuinely (family of 4, 1 baby)
This is the smaller battery Ioniq 5 but still good for 238 miles. These are highly rated plus you get the Hyundai warranty which is 5 years so 3 remaining.
Ioniq 5
 
Thanks for the help, I think I’m going to have to go test drive one and see for my self this week. Realistically what difference is the ryzen chip going to make apart from maybe a touch of speed?

As for lease deals, it’s not a bad shout but the idea of paying large chunks of cash out a month again worry’s me when the price of 3 year old Teslas have more than halved. I guess we don’t have a crystal ball, but in my mind the depreciation should start to steady from this point on and be potentially more normal like ICE vehicles.

If anyone knows a better car for upto £23k than a Model 3 long range either EV or petrol I’m all ears genuinely (family of 4, 1 baby)

I think currently it just some visual updates that Ryzen gets over the Intel at the moment.
 
I've been completely underwhelmed by the UI/UX in our Model 3 LR, which is surprising because, as a bit of a nerd, I thought I'd love it.

The navigation feels lacking, though I can't quite put my finger on why. It seems to prefer road names over numbers, making it hard to match directions with road signs. Occasionally, it even displays European route numbers (like showing E15 instead of M8), which leaves me confused about where I’m supposed to be heading. This isn't an issue I've ever had when using Android Auto or Google Maps.

The recent addition of Audible initially excited me, but it was disappointing to find that it doesn’t sync with my account on the phone. Instead, it operates entirely independently, which defeats the purpose.

The built-in data connection is also problematic, often leaving me staring at a buffering screen.

Individually, these are minor annoyances, but together they add up to a frustrating experience.

On top of that, the Group 50E insurance stings and negates some of the savings from driving an electric car, like the exemption from road tax.

While the driving experience and charging infrastructure are great, I’m not sure I’d choose to buy another Tesla.
Yep I agree with all these points. Insurance in particular is quite expensive; I was roughly £900 this year for fully comp without "drive other car" cover.

The biggest sat nav grievance I have is the fact that every junction is an instruction. Rather than "exit J25 in 50 miles" it's "straight in 1 mile", "straight in 0.8 mile" etc etc. And sometimes the "straight" instruction is accompanied by the road number that you'd be on if you turned off!! I've seen an instruction that said effectively "straight ahead 1 mile, M62", but I was on the M6 passing the M62 interchange. Very confusing, plus the lack of CarPlay means I can't avoid it. That said, this is clearly a software issue which means it could be fixed.
 
Well decided to go and test drive a Tesla albeit it was only the SR+ not the LR. Pretty surprising to drive, probably better than I expected, silly fast acceleration, strange feeling braking when just taking the foot off the gas but easy to get used to and feels really spacious.

Couple of negatives for me personally, no speedo where I’m used to seeing it, seats were really comfy but didn’t hug me round corners and the steering felt a little unresponsive compared to my previous BMW.

Not sure how much of a difference the LR is to the SR mind you.
 
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Well decided to go and test drive a Tesla albeit it was only the SR+ not the LR. Pretty surprising to drive, probably better than I expected, silly fast acceleration, strange feeling braking when just taking the foot off the gas but easy to get used to and feels really spacious.

Couple of negatives for me personally, no speedo where I’m used to seeing it, seats were really comfy but didn’t hug me round corners and the steering felt a little unresponsive compared to my previous BMW.

Not sure how much of a difference the LR is to the SR mind you.

Speedo you get used to in a couple of days - really not an issue. (Like the regen braking - it just becomes normal)

Seats as you say aren’t very sporty but are very comfy.

Steering has different settings you can try to make it a bit heavier.

LR is a lot quicker and 4WD so a bit better in slippery conditions.
 
Thanks for the help, I think I’m going to have to go test drive one and see for my self this week. Realistically what difference is the ryzen chip going to make apart from maybe a touch of speed?

As for lease deals, it’s not a bad shout but the idea of paying large chunks of cash out a month again worry’s me when the price of 3 year old Teslas have more than halved. I guess we don’t have a crystal ball, but in my mind the depreciation should start to steady from this point on and be potentially more normal like ICE vehicles.

If anyone knows a better car for upto £23k than a Model 3 long range either EV or petrol I’m all ears genuinely (family of 4, 1 baby)

The Model 3 is a good car, is very reliable and is one of the better EVs on the market at that price point.

The Ryzen chip is faster and means some of the software like the browser better but the core experience is similar.

Tesla have historically fed in updates to the car frequently and not at fixed points or model year refreshes.

There are a few notable changes:
2021, they added a heat pump and updated the interior which is much better than the original cars.


The cars from China are also batter than those made in the US. They cars have come with a number of different battery configurations, long range started at 75kwh, then 82kwh and then 79kwh. There were also efficiency improvements so the 82kwh didn’t necessarily have more range.

Do you actually need the long range?

I had a ‘2022’ standard range car with the 60kwh battery and it gave more than enough range. It was rated for 306 miles which gives 200-250 miles in the real world across winter/summer.

This is the smaller battery Ioniq 5 but still good for 238 miles. These are highly rated plus you get the Hyundai warranty which is 5 years so 3 remaining.
Ioniq 5
238 miles on a WLTP rating is only really 150-170 miles in the real world though. The long range model only really goes as far as the standard range model 3 I had.

Well decided to go and test drive a Tesla albeit it was only the SR+ not the LR. Pretty surprising to drive, probably better than I expected, silly fast acceleration, strange feeling braking when just taking the foot off the gas but easy to get used to and feels really spacious.

Couple of negatives for me personally, no speedo where I’m used to seeing it, seats were really comfy but didn’t hug me round corners and the steering felt a little unresponsive compared to my previous BMW.

Not sure how much of a difference the LR is to the SR mind you.

you quickly get used to the power and the braking, the speedo too.

The Model 3 is known for having a fast steering rack but there isn’t much road feedback (like most cars), is that what you meant by un-responsive? There are 3 settings for the weight of the steering, I always had it in ‘sport’ or whatever the heaviest setting was.

In terms of differences between the LR and SR, the LR has:
Bigger battery / more range and it charges at up to 250kw (the SR maxes out at 170kw)

Front motor which knocks ~1.5 seconds off the 0-60

More speakers and a sub in the boot, the sound system in the SR is good but the LR is better.

There are some small interior differences but it depends on the model year to what they were. Older SR cars didn’t have heated rear seats as standard and lights in the footwells.

Newer cars all have heated seats all round and heated steering wheel.

Otherwise the two cars basically drive the same. While the LR can charge faster, it’s not that much faster as the SR is more efficient so it mitigates the slower charging speed a bit.
 
The recent addition of Audible initially excited me, but it was disappointing to find that it doesn’t sync with my account on the phone. Instead, it operates entirely independently, which defeats the purpose.
It totally syncs with the phone account... Unsure what you are doing wrong, but take another look as it works perfectly for me.
 
Thanks for the help, I think I’m going to have to go test drive one and see for my self this week. Realistically what difference is the ryzen chip going to make apart from maybe a touch of speed?

As for lease deals, it’s not a bad shout but the idea of paying large chunks of cash out a month again worry’s me when the price of 3 year old Teslas have more than halved. I guess we don’t have a crystal ball, but in my mind the depreciation should start to steady from this point on and be potentially more normal like ICE vehicles.

If anyone knows a better car for upto £23k than a Model 3 long range either EV or petrol I’m all ears genuinely (family of 4, 1 baby)
Similar set up to you, family of 4 with a 5 year old and baby... here's what I'd be thinking about

Passat GTE Advance

Enyaq 80

Or a Superb?
 
It totally syncs with the phone account... Unsure what you are doing wrong, but take another look as it works perfectly for me.
That's good to know and exactly how it should work, unfortunately for me it doesn't! Other than selecting the book and pressing play I cant really see what I could do differently. Will need to look into it further.

Don't get me wrong I like the regular updates (adaptive headlights in a recent update is great) and the addition of these new apps (YouTube Music, Amazon Music etc.) but if it had the option to use Android Auto I would do so without hesitation.
 
Similar set up to you, family of 4 with a 5 year old and baby... here's what I'd be thinking about

Passat GTE Advance

Enyaq 80

Or a Superb?

I have just purchased a Superb Phev which I pickup on Saturday as a replacement for my old petrol Superb that was written off a couple of months back. As family of four I cant fault the superb. Will be interested to see what its like going from the Model 3 which I have been driving since then. Am hoping the 90% of my journeys will be on electric only. I believe it shares the same engine as the Passet GTE linked above
 
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That's good to know and exactly how it should work, unfortunately for me it doesn't! Other than selecting the book and pressing play I cant really see what I could do differently. Will need to look into it further.

Don't get me wrong I like the regular updates (adaptive headlights in a recent update is great) and the addition of these new apps (YouTube Music, Amazon Music etc.) but if it had the option to use Android Auto I would do so without hesitation.
Well I logged in with my account and have premium connectivity. Would imagine hotspotting would also work of you don't pay for that. It will need internet to sync ofc.

I have seen it take a second to show the right position in a book, but that's the same with the phone too.

Now we have speed camera alerts I don't miss android auto at all.
 
@b0rn2sk8 thanks for a very informative post. I’ll not quote to clog the thread, will the intel chip keep getting updates or will it just be Ryzen from now on? Slightly concerns me if it becomes obsolete.

Also what’s the best value home charger for the Tesla, I’ve seen octopus energy recommend the Ohme I think and zappi.

Also I probably don’t need the LR but it seems to hold value abit better and it’s nice to have if I want it I guess plus upgraded sound system is important to me.
 
someone here is running a t8 hybrid I thought - didn't he say averaging 90 odd mpg , nice comfortable place to be
70,000 miles on the clock and they have a habit of lunching themselves (google Volvo ERAD if you want to scare yourself)

I did have a V90 though and it was a nice place to sit and pilot assist was better than the rivals that were available at the time.
 
I have just purchased a Superb Phev which I pickup on Saturday as a replacement for my old petrol Superb that was written off a couple of months back. As family of four I cant fault the superb. Will be interested to see what its like going from the Model 3 which I have been driving since then. Am hoping the 90% of my journeys will be on electric only. I believe it shares the same engine as the Passet GTE linked above
Yes VAG PHEV drivetrain so all shared.

Can't go too far wrong with the Superb I reckon!
 
@b0rn2sk8 thanks for a very informative post. I’ll not quote to clog the thread, will the intel chip keep getting updates or will it just be Ryzen from now on? Slightly concerns me if it becomes obsolete.
It will keep getting updates but it may not get all new features. The only 'feature' the Intel CPU doesn't have at the moment is the 3D home screen and some fancier animations in the UI but functionally it is the same.

I'm not 100% sure if the integrated games are the same - you'd need to check that as I don't use them and I don't have my old Intel Model 3 anymore but I have a Y with the Ryzen chip.

I forgot to mention above at some point in 2021 they started shipping cars with matrix headlights, they are better than the old non-matrix headlights. I'm not sure when it started but the car I got in December 2021 had them.

Also what’s the best value home charger for the Tesla, I’ve seen octopus energy recommend the Ohme I think and zappi.

Anything, they are all generic apart from Tesla's own unit but I wouldn't bother with it unless you have a Tesla Powerwall as that is the only thing it integrates with. Its as basic as the come otherwise. It's only benefit is it has a button on the plug which you can use to unlock the charge port on the car. It's cheap but it costs more to install because it doesn't have all the required safety features so it needs an add on box or an earth rod. Other chargers have the safety device built in.

Zappi is decent but it looks like a toilet seat (once you've seen it, you can't 'un-see it' - sorry). Ohme is cheaper but doesn't have the same feature set. Both work with Octopus Intelligent which is the UK's most popular charging tariff and is what almost all of us use here.
 
Model 3 LR owners that are 40-80k miles on the clock, what battery health are you at? Or at least, what is your current charge % and predicted miles on the dash?
 
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