When are you going fully electric?

Tesla’s don’t change the predicted range based on driving style so the “range at full charge” can be used as a crude measure of battery health.

(They do consider driving style along with temperature, wind, terrain, road type etc.. when Nav is on to show battery level on arrival)
 
Tesla’s don’t change the predicted range based on driving style so the “range at full charge” can be used as a crude measure of battery health.

(They do consider driving style along with temperature, wind, terrain, road type etc.. when Nav is on to show battery level on arrival)
Exactly, the range estimate by the battery icon displays expected range set by Tesla regardless of driving style and is only affected by battery degradation and bms miscalibration.
The energy consumption screen is what is showing expected range by driving style from the last 5/15/30 miles.

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Another France trip that has demonstrated the utter futility in trying to replace our larger petrol car with an EV. No functioning charging points in the car park near the house. No functioning charging points in the village at all beyond the odd one in folks' private garages (plus the one lady with a 500e running an extension lead 8ft across an access road out to her car half the day...) . Some chargers out towards the beach at Ste Marie, but you'd need to be there around 6am to get to use one. And even if we could park outside our house here we'd need to substantially upgrade the wiring to support any kind of car charger be it slow or fast charging.

Plus, lest we forget, the journey taking an extra day in either direction in order to get to charging points without having to use all toll roads and spending a small fortune there.

Still though. Seriously considering something Zoe or 500e shaped for ma as a runabout/slightly longer occasional trip car back home. Just needs to be something compact-ish with a range of 130 miles or better even in the dead of winter. Oh, and with seats that don't give her backache.
 
Another France trip that has demonstrated the utter futility in trying to replace our larger petrol car with an EV. No functioning charging points in the car park near the house. No functioning charging points in the village at all beyond the odd one in folks' private garages (plus the one lady with a 500e running an extension lead 8ft across an access road out to her car half the day...) . Some chargers out towards the beach at Ste Marie, but you'd need to be there around 6am to get to use one. And even if we could park outside our house here we'd need to substantially upgrade the wiring to support any kind of car charger be it slow or fast charging.

Sounds like you had a terrible time with your EV in France, loads of other people have said how good charging was in France. What EV did you take there with you that all the issues were seen with?
 
Where in France? Have to say had a decent experience heading from the midlands over to east of Paris. Loads of Tesla and Ionity to choose from, the autoroutes seem well catered for with EV charging.

Villelongue de la Salanque, so down Perpignan way. Yes, if you go down country using all péage routes and dealing with the nightmare of Paris then you could conceivably use an EV...still taking an extra day to do the trip, and spending the thick end of a hundred euros extra in tolls.

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Sounds like you had a terrible time with your EV in France, loads of other people have said how good charging was in France. What EV did you take there with you that all the issues were seen with?

We didn't. We took a petrol powered Dacia Jogger, and have had a great trip so far because of that. Friends tried a similar trip (heading for Perpignan itself) in a Tesla Model 3* earlier this year - took them two days extra door-to-door, cost more in tolls once they gave up trying to avoid them and was massively less convenient once they got down this way.

* - to be fair though their Model 3 has been a bit of a lemon. Range issues, rattles, the time it completely bricked itself and wouldn't even unlock much less actually go anywhere...
 
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We didn't. We took a petrol powered Dacia Jogger, and have had a great trip so far because of that. Friends tried a similar trip (heading for Perpignan itself) in a Tesla Model 3* earlier this year - took them two days extra door-to-door, cost more in tolls once they gave up trying to avoid them and was massively less convenient once they got down this way.

* - to be fair though their Model 3 has been a bit of a lemon. Range issues, rattles, the time it completely bricked itself and wouldn't even unlock much less actually go anywhere...

Wow terrible.

Meanwhile back in reality.

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Based on Tesla Model 3 SR, avoiding tolls, and Paris.
 
Villelongue de la Salanque, so down Perpignan way. Yes, if you go down country using all péage routes and dealing with the nightmare of Paris then you could conceivably use an EV...still taking an extra day to do the trip, and spending the thick end of a hundred euros extra in tolls.

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We didn't. We took a petrol powered Dacia Jogger, and have had a great trip so far because of that. Friends tried a similar trip (heading for Perpignan itself) in a Tesla Model 3* earlier this year - took them two days extra door-to-door, cost more in tolls once they gave up trying to avoid them and was massively less convenient once they got down this way.

* - to be fair though their Model 3 has been a bit of a lemon. Range issues, rattles, the time it completely bricked itself and wouldn't even unlock much less actually go anywhere...
For every story of EV being inconvenient, I can probably give you one for every long distance staycation in our old diesel car where it drinks through two tanks full of fuel costing nearly £300 and we wonder why we even bother stay in UK for that much money to just get about.

Whilst fueling is fast, but trying to find a petrol station in the sticks that doesn’t give you the feeling you are being bent over and taken for a fleecing is nigh on impossible.

One of the worst experience was when the fuel cost rose 15p in less than 1 week at the area we stayed. It was infuriating.
 
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Villelongue de la Salanque, so down Perpignan way. Yes, if you go down country using all péage routes and dealing with the nightmare of Paris then you could conceivably use an EV...still taking an extra day to do the trip, and spending the thick end of a hundred euros extra in tolls.

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We didn't. We took a petrol powered Dacia Jogger, and have had a great trip so far because of that. Friends tried a similar trip (heading for Perpignan itself) in a Tesla Model 3* earlier this year - took them two days extra door-to-door, cost more in tolls once they gave up trying to avoid them and was massively less convenient once they got down this way.

* - to be fair though their Model 3 has been a bit of a lemon. Range issues, rattles, the time it completely bricked itself and wouldn't even unlock much less actually go anywhere...
Interesting that, because when I had my Model 3 I had zero issues driving down to Spain and that was via Narbonne and Sainte-Marie. Plenty of Tesla destination chargers and there's a 20 stall Tesla Supercharger stop just outside of Saint-Laurent-de-la-Salanque. Granted I had the Model 3 Long Range but even so I had no issues and purposely avoided as many tolls as possible. Literally no issue and it cost a quarter of what it did when we did a very similar trip in the old Toureg.
 
so I have little patience for these “stories”.

People have very different tolerances mind when it comes to longer trips, or willingness to push the unknown, etc. personally I like to push on, have everything mapped out and play it safe. Others will want to take multiple breaks and happier to run low margins on range, etc. and more inclined to changing up their plans if needed.
 
Yeah a few hours but not 2 days longer

Anyway, as we should know by now telling people they are wrong is never going to convince them so not sure why we all try this approach :D

edit: also as an aside my I Pace is now worth £14k on WBAC and the PCP settlement figure is £21k, with a GFV of £19k in Sept next year. Think they may have regrets about the residual calculations :cry:
 
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* - to be fair though their Model 3 has been a bit of a lemon. Range issues, rattles, the time it completely bricked itself and wouldn't even unlock much less actually go anywhere...

Standard Tesla features. Especially the bricking part :D Updates brick them, losing 12v power bricks them, touchscreens die, CPUs die. **** that.
 
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People have very different tolerances mind when it comes to longer trips, or willingness to push the unknown, etc. personally I like to push on, have everything mapped out and play it safe. Others will want to take multiple breaks and happier to run low margins on range, etc. and more inclined to changing up their plans if needed.
The bloke who shared the story didn't even have an EV. It was some make belief fiction as he endured a long drive in a Dacia Jogger Diesel :cry:

"Poor guys in their EV!!!"
*kids in back wishing for an ipace instead of some romanian tin with a diesel generator*

Standard Tesla features.
Source: drives a Skoda and an old Z4
 
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The bloke who shared the story didn't even have an EV. It was some make belief fiction as he endured a long drive in a Dacia Jogger Diesel :cry:

"Poor guys in their EV!!!"
*kids in back wishing for an ipace instead of some romanian tin with a diesel generator*


Source: drives a Skoda and an old Z4

I'd have a Skoda or an old Z4 over a Tesla. More likely to get me to work and back without issues (or stranding me there)
 
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