When are you going fully electric?

lordrobs said:
Do you have a quote still from a couple of weeks back? I'd be tempted to try and call the insurer, state you want to go ahead with the quoted price but your car has been delayed so you'll need it *insert whatever date here*. Any decent insurer should oblige.

The bigger quotes nearer renewal (or policy start in your case) is due to last minute quoters being statistically more likely to make a claim, well... So they say.

If you haven't kept any quotes then you may just have to suck it up.
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You didn't read my last sentence, we got it cheaper because we got it 4 days earlier.
Bought it yesterday for this Monday saving £70.
He wanted us to get it on Monday.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
All true but for 13.5k for a brand new car, that’s hard to pass up when the equivalent MG would be not far off twice the price for a new one.

If you manage your expectations on range, are just using it for local journeys and don’t plan on traveling the country, the chademo system is not so much of an issue. It will cost buttons to run over its lifetime.

If its limitations are a problem then stay well clear.
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New pre reg MG4 51kWh are ~£19k now and still dropping. Quite a bit less than twice the price to be fair and just under 50% more expensive for a much easier to live with car.

Still if you can live with chademo limiting your long range trip options.
 
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Fair enough but it’s still a £6k price difference, it’s not like it’s £500.

Like I said, if the limitations* of the leaf are a problem, don’t buy it, but it’s hard to argue with the value on a £13.5k brand new car.

*you can now buy a Chademo to CCS adapter and they actually work.
 
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MG5 is a much more practical car than a Leaf. It’s like comparing a Polo to a Passat WRT OTR price. You would expect price differentials.


These guys did this…I am not too sure how they got their electric car cost from. 7p/kwh should yield much much less cost.
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
Fair enough but it’s still a £6k price difference, it’s not like it’s £500.

Like I said, if the limitations* of the leaf are a problem, don’t buy it, but it’s hard to argue with the value on a £13.5k brand new car.

*you can now buy a Chademo to CCS adapter and they actually work.
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I’m not arguing with you, just correcting your price comparison error. I even agreed that if you can live with the limitations of Chademo, a decent option for the price.

Those adapters cost over £1000 and are not approved by either Nissan, or the charger providers. The car also still tops out at 46kWh. Quite a risk financially and safety for many I would wager.
 
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nice that there are some cheap options if you want to go EV

The MG4 is 50% more than the Leaf, so quite a big difference if you think about it that way
 
pc-guy said:
MG5 is a much more practical car than a Leaf. It’s like comparing a Polo to a Passat WRT OTR price. You would expect price differentials.


These guys did this…I am not too sure how they got their electric car cost from. 7p/kwh should yield much much less cost.
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I think it’s a fair comparison because not everywhere in the UK gets access such cheap EV tariffs. It should also be remembered that those EV tariffs have sometimes much higher day rates and standing prices. So when averaged out they tend to be a a fair bit more than most EV owners have convinced themselves they are.

But yes overall someone with a charger and cheaper electric EV tariffs will spend a lot less on running their car. I do think they could have made more of the depreciation of the EV being potentially a big selling point for buyers looking at used or nearly new.
 
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ICDP said:
I think it’s a fair comparison because not everywhere in the UK gets access such cheap EV tariffs. It should also be remembered that those EV tariffs have sometimes much higher day rates and standing prices. So when averaged out they tend to be a a fair bit more than most EV owners have convinced themselves they are.

But yes overall someone with a charger and cheaper electric EV tariffs will spawned a lot less on running their car. I do think they could have made more of the depreciation of the EV being potentially a big selling point for buyers looking at used or nearly new.
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When you say averaged out, I'm not sure what you mean. Charging the EV at the cheap rate will be the majority of an EVs owner use of electricity. No day rate or standing charge is going to make any significant difference to that. Open to correction.
 
OspreyO said:
When you say averaged out, I'm not sure what you mean. Charging the EV at the cheap rate will be the majority of an EVs owner use of electricity. No day rate or standing charge is going to make any significant difference to that. Open to correction.
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Not necessarily. According to the very reliable source that is the first result on a Google search the UKs average daily mileage is 18 miles a day. Plucking a figure out of thin air of 3.5m/kWh that is only just over 5kWh. As a family of 3, house occupied most of the time etc. our usual daily electricity use is between 7 and 9kWh.

You are right that the savings are unlikely to be wiped out by the higher standing charge and peak rates but the gap can be closer than appears in the first instance.

Obviously if you do more miles, the saving grows. If you are retired and only head out once or twice a week and are home a lot during the day it's worth thinking about staying on a standard tariff.
 
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OspreyO said:
When you say averaged out, I'm not sure what you mean. Charging the EV at the cheap rate will be the majority of an EVs owner use of electricity. No day rate or standing charge is going to make any significant difference to that. Open to correction.
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Also taking into account the price difference for most is very small vs. the price cap limit, and doesn't take into the account the amount you'll save shifting certain loads with little to no effort.

EDIT: To clarify, if you run a typical dishwasher once per day, at off-peak vs peak rate, using around 1.5kWh per cycle, the cost saving is significant £120 at 22p v £38 at 7p.
 
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I'll say another thing about that mini comparison. Most like 95% of my driving is urban and in traffic. I'd take the EV every time for that. If I did a lot countryside spirited driving the petrol mini might be my preferred option. Ev if I can 90% charge at home. If I was doing a lot of last minute long journeys, I might prefer the petrol.

It's really horses for courses while the costs are similar. For me though I think buying used missing a lot of early depreciation for urban driving is a clear win for the EV, for my use. It's going to be different for everyone. Some just aren't to want to do the change in mindset required..
 
As for the leaf it's ok. I could live with the compromises if it I liked the looks better. I wonder how it will compare will the alternatives you could buy now in 3yrs time.
 
ICDP said:
It should also be remembered that those EV tariffs have sometimes much higher day rates and standing prices. So when averaged out they tend to be a a fair bit more than most EV owners have convinced themselves they are.
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Ovo anytime doesn’t have any penalty on the day rate but it’s only your cars energy that’s discounted.

If you can get octopus intelligent, you can probably get Ovo anytime.

Even a modest amount of time shifting on Octopus Intelligent will get you over the line in terms of cost on the house usage. Don’t forget 1/4 of your base load is time shifted also, that’s circa ~1kwh (166w base load) for even a low user as a starting point, for me is closer to 1.4kwh.
 
OspreyO said:
When you say averaged out, I'm not sure what you mean. Charging the EV at the cheap rate will be the majority of an EVs owner use of electricity. No day rate or standing charge is going to make any significant difference to that. Open to correction.
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Of course it will make a difference. Your normal electricity usage does not change if you get an EV. Your EV charging use is on top of your normal use.

Normal tariff unit rate might be ~35p. The vast majority done during the day. An EV tariff could add 10p per unit onto your day rates but the night rates drop to 7p if you jump through enough hoops.

That extra 10p per day unit needs to be factored in to your EV night rate savings. It’s still cheaper overall but it’s inaccurate to state your EV only costs 7p per kWh to charge.
 
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ICDP said:
lol, no they aren’t. Typical EV tariffs DO bump up the day rates, similar to economy 7 type tariffs.
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Ermm no they are made up, Octopus Intelligent Go and Normal Go are ~1p difference from the 'standard' cap price, 22.8p vs 20.91p for me.
 
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