When are you going fully electric?

m4rmite said:
People in flats can't charge their ev at home! Neither can they fill up with petrol at home.
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Thats not the point. The point is that EV ownership is only really attractive if it costs at least the same as, but preferably less, than ICE. If you can’t charge at home, and HAVE to use public charging, then it can be up to twice as expensive as running a diesel. Given that the main reason people want to switch is cheap running costs, no-one who has to rely on public charging is going to switch till that massively comes down in price.

In a nutshell - can’t charge at home on a cheap tariff = no point in having an EV.
 
@bigmike20vt that's fair. He just searched for charging spots along the route back home, and this one came up. Fast, decent value but only 2 slots. And to be fair, the app/map did say they were both taken. We just tried our luck that it might be wrong/not updated.

Where we eventually charged was at a bank of brand new chargers at an existing BP garage, also on route. It was pretty effortless to get it up and running, and seemed pretty fast. We were only there for about 10 mins or less, which gave him enough range to drop me off and get home (another 60 miles or so). But I'm sure he said it cost about £20 or so for even that!

(90p per kwh, and I think he got just over 20kw, as he was averaging about 2.5 kwh/mile) <--- might be wrong, but those were roughly the numbers he told me. He did seem like that guy from A beautiful Mind for most of the drive! Endlessly doing maths along the route!
 
Penfold101 said:
Thats not the point. The point is that EV ownership is only really attractive if it costs at least the same as, but preferably less, than ICE. If you can’t charge at home, and HAVE to use public charging, then it can be up to twice as expensive as running a diesel. Given that the main reason people want to switch is cheap running costs, no-one who has to rely on public charging is going to switch till that massively comes down in price.

In a nutshell - can’t charge at home on a cheap tariff = no point in having an EV.
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Plus the time.
Yes you cant fill up with petrol at home (stupid comment btw), but you can in a few minutes probably down the road. And that will give you 'hundreds' of miles of range.

You can't do the same in the same time with an EV, even if there is a charger down the road.
 
Shadowness said:
Plus the time.
Yes you cant fill up with petrol at home (stupid comment btw), but you can in a few minutes probably down the road. And that will give you 'hundreds' of miles of range.

You can't do the same in the same time with an EV, even if there is a charger down the road.
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Exactly. It’s a different mindset than using an ICE and can take a bit more thinking about especially when it comes to destination charging, but home charging for daily use is the biggest factor in public uptake.
 
Shadowness said:
Oh yeh that was the other shock.....the price. Many around 80-90p/kwh. Again, really favours being able to charge at home, and using the stations as a last resort.
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I've got a Polestar 2 Performance Pack being delivered this week, can charge at work but been getting ready for its arrival and blown away by the cost of public charging from a quick look. I'm fortunate enough to be able to charge at work but doing due diligence in terms of understanding public charging situation was genuinely surprised by the cost of it. Do see some more reasonably priced (still a bit higher than I'd have guessed beforehand) about 50/60p per kwh but the vast majority at least around the places I checked (local to me and my parents) seems to be around the 90p/kwh mark

Plan is definitely to charge at work 99% of the time but without that perk it certainly wouldn't have made sense for me
 
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Shadowness said:
Plus the time.
Yes you cant fill up with petrol at home (stupid comment btw), but you can in a few minutes probably down the road. And that will give you 'hundreds' of miles of range.

You can't do the same in the same time with an EV, even if there is a charger down the road.
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Can't say I've ever woken up with a sudden need to do "hundreds" of miles with only enough time for a F1 pitstop.

If thats something you need, on regular basis nothing stopping you buying a diesel with a massive tank. I've friends who do long trips to family or to a boat regularly often unplanned I'd be the first to tell them to buy a diesel.

Not entirely sure why that needs pointing out repeatedly on EV threads.

Same with cheap home charging. It's beyond obvious that's a no brainer.

That said people in an apartments not doing much mileage wanting a low maintenance car have commented previously that lower price public AC chargers suited them fine with an EV.
 
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OspreyO said:
Can't say I've ever woken up with a sudden need to do "hundreds" of miles with only enough time for a F1 pitstop.

If thats something you need, on regular basis nothing stopping you buying a diesel with a massive tank. I've friends who do long trips to family or to a boat regularly often unplanned I'd be the first to tell them to buy a diesel.

Not entirely sure why that needs pointing out repeatedly on EV threads.
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Not sure where I said I'd need to either :confused:

Why would you need a diesel? My 140 only has a range of 300 or so, but I can happily drive to Glasgow if I wanted with only one stop (which would only take minutes).
 
Penfold101 said:
Thats not the point. The point is that EV ownership is only really attractive if it costs at least the same as, but preferably less, than ICE. If you can’t charge at home, and HAVE to use public charging, then it can be up to twice as expensive as running a diesel. Given that the main reason people want to switch is cheap running costs, no-one who has to rely on public charging is going to switch till that massively comes down in price.

In a nutshell - can’t charge at home on a cheap tariff = no point in having an EV.
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Ionity pass 43pkwh? + £10.50 a month, let's say 1000 miles a month- because everyone knows ice drivers do 10 hour stints to Cornwall and back.
4 miles per kw.
11.8p per mile.

£1.38 litre for diesel, 1000 miles, 50mpg.
12.5p per mile

Now I know some diesels get 2 million miles per gallon on the motorway at 90mph, but at least 50mpg is a figure to compare.
 
bigmike20vt said:
with over 1300 pages it is inevitable that the same fears will be posted along with the same counters.... am not sure what sarcastic responses like the one quoted add to anything however.
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Wasnt sarcastic. I just don’t know why you waste your time replying to these people who missing out on EV life (with home work charging). An EV relying on public is pointless from cost and the fact you have to leave your car somewhere else and wait. Or collect it later
 
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m4rmite said:
Ionity pass 43pkwh? + £10.50 a month, let's say 1000 miles a month- because everyone knows ice drivers do 10 hour stints to Cornwall and back.
4 miles per kw.
11.8p per mile.

£1.38 litre for diesel, 1000 miles, 50mpg.
12.5p per mile

Now I know some diesels get 2 million miles per gallon on the motorway at 90mph, but at least 50mpg is a figure to compare.
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Yes, I worked out about 50p per kWh was the break-even point. Most public chargers are way above that, and you’d have to go way less to make switching worth it. Given the general hassle of current public charging I wouldn’t have changed unless I was saving huge amounts.

Given home charging is usually around 7p overnight, it really isn’t worth switching purely to save on running costs unless you pay the 7p rate. I only switched as I wrote off my previous car and needed to buy something so I took the plunge.
 
Shadowness said:
Not sure where I said I'd need to either :confused:

Why would you need a diesel? My 140 only has a range of 300 or so, but I can happily drive to Glasgow if I wanted with only one stop (which would only take minutes).
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Diesel has greater non stop range per min spent filling.

If you're going to stop anyway even in an ICE then stopping is irrelevant.
 
Penfold101 said:
Yes, I worked out about 50p per kWh was the break-even point. Most public chargers are way above that, and you’d have to go way less to make switching worth it. Given the general hassle of current public charging I wouldn’t have changed unless I was saving huge amounts.

Given home charging is usually around 7p overnight, it really isn’t worth switching purely to save on running costs unless you pay the 7p rate. I only switched as I wrote off my previous car and needed to buy something so I took the plunge.
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For me fuel costs were not the main incentive. It's was the easier driving and lower servicing for lots of short urban journeys. Especially in winter. The ICE never had time to warm up. Also being able to fill up at home just so handy.
 
OspreyO said:
Also being able to fill up at home just so handy.
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That is a strong use case for BEVs but it is an unfortunate reality that not everybody can


And the cost of not is quite high.



The charger by my office, where I would plug my car in if I couldn’t home charge, is 11x more expensive than home charging


That means for 280-300 miles, I’d be paying £60 which is roughly twice as much as my 320d costs for fuel at the moment.



For me personally, BEV works and I’m looking forward to a 2 year trial of it.
 
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Shadowness said:
Why would you need a diesel? My 140 only has a range of 300 or so, but I can happily drive to Glasgow if I wanted with only one stop (which would only take minutes).
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TM3LR - 10% - 39% in 7 mins - 4.6mpkWh at 70 MPH - so that's 100 miles in 7 mins, and you can go for a toilet break or get a drink while its doing that, can't do that with ICE. One example, many, many others avialble.

10%249 kW3 m 22 s7.5 kWh
11%249 kW3 m 34 s8.2 kWh
12%249 kW3 m 45 s9.0 kWh
13%249 kW3 m 57 s9.8 kWh
14%249 kW4 m 9 s10.5 kWh
15%249 kW4 m 20 s11.2 kWh
16%241 kW4 m 32 s12.0 kWh
17%238 kW4 m 44 s12.8 kWh
18%234 kW4 m 56 s13.5 kWh
19%231 kW5 m 9 s14.2 kWh
20%228 kW5 m 22 s15.0 kWh
21%224 kW5 m 34 s15.8 kWh
22%219 kW5 m 48 s16.5 kWh
23%215 kW6 m 1 s17.2 kWh
24%208 kW6 m 15 s18.0 kWh
25%207 kW6 m 29 s18.8 kWh
26%202 kW6 m 43 s19.5 kWh
27%196 kW6 m 57 s20.2 kWh
28%191 kW7 m 12 s21.0 kWh
29%186 kW7 m 28 s21.8 kWh
30%184 kW7 m 44 s22.5 kWh
31%179 kW8 m 0 s23.2 kWh
32%175 kW8 m 16 s24.0 kWh
33%169 kW8 m 33 s24.8 kWh
34%165 kW8 m 50 s25.5 kWh
35%159 kW9 m 8 s26.2 kWh
36%156 kW9 m 27 s27.0 kWh
37%152 kW9 m 45 s27.8 kWh
38%147 kW10 m 5 s28.5 kWh
39%143 kW10 m 25 s29.2 kWh
 
Shadowness said:
Forgive my ignorance....what charging rate is that? (is that second column?)

And how realistic is it to receive that rate from most chargers?
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It's a Tesla on a Tesla charger, and that is the charging rate in kW. Obviously you aren't going to get that rate if you stop at a 50kW charger, but most Tesla's are now V3 and V4 incoming.
 
MrRockliffe said:
That is a strong use case for BEVs but it is an unfortunate reality that not everybody can


And the cost of not is quite high.



The charger by my office, where I would plug my car in if I couldn’t home charge, is 11x more expensive than home charging


That means for 280-300 miles, I’d be paying £60 which is roughly twice as much as my 320d costs for fuel at the moment.



For me personally, BEV works and I’m looking forward to a 2 year trial of it.
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I can find public charging near me that a third of the cost of filling my petrol car. When I had a diesel it did the twice the range of the petrol. So it would be only slightly more expensive than the Public AC, but needed more servicing.
 
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