When are you going fully electric?

OspreyO said:
Its a very specific and selective example. No ones not going to rock up in a nissan leaf and get that.
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And your point is that not all cars are the same? There are LOTS of cars that can do similar speeds/miles-per-minute charging.

Kia EV6

10%221 kW2 m 21 s7.4 kWh
11%221 kW2 m 34 s8.1 kWh
12%222 kW2 m 47 s8.9 kWh
13%222 kW3 m 0 s9.6 kWh
14%223 kW3 m 13 s10.4 kWh
15%223 kW3 m 26 s11.1 kWh
16%222 kW3 m 38 s11.8 kWh
17%223 kW3 m 51 s12.6 kWh
18%224 kW4 m 4 s13.3 kWh
19%224 kW4 m 17 s14.1 kWh
20%224 kW4 m 30 s14.8 kWh
21%224 kW4 m 42 s15.5 kWh
22%224 kW4 m 55 s16.3 kWh
23%225 kW5 m 8 s17.0 kWh
24%225 kW5 m 21 s17.8 kWh
25%225 kW5 m 34 s18.5 kWh
26%225 kW5 m 46 s19.2 kWh
27%226 kW5 m 59 s20.0 kWh
28%225 kW6 m 12 s20.7 kWh
29%226 kW6 m 24 s21.5 kWh
30%226 kW6 m 37 s22.2 kWh
31%226 kW6 m 50 s22.9 kWh
32%227 kW7 m 2 s23.7 kWh
33%227 kW7 m 15 s24.4 kWh
34%227 kW7 m 28 s25.2 kWh
35%227 kW7 m 40 s25.9 kWh
36%230 kW7 m 53 s26.6 kWh
37%230 kW8 m 5 s27.4 kWh
38%230 kW8 m 18 s28.1 kWh
39%230 kW8 m 30 s28.9 kWh
40%232 kW8 m 42 s29.6 kWh
41%231 kW8 m 55 s30.3 kWh
42%232 kW9 m 7 s31.1 kWh
43%233 kW9 m 20 s31.8 kWh
44%233 kW9 m 32 s32.6 kWh
45%233 kW9 m 44 s33.3 kWh
46%234 kW9 m 56 s34.0 kWh
47%210 kW10 m 9 s34.8 kWh
48%186 kW10 m 24 s35.5 kWh
49%186 kW10 m 39 s36.3 kWh
50%186 kW10 m 55 s37.0 kWh
 
I get the argument hat not everyone can charge at home but we absolutely miles away from that even being a bottleneck for sales in this country.

Research suggests somewhere between 60% and 70% of car owners (not households) can charge at home. 5% of cars on the road are electric and not all of them are charged at home. There is still a massive gap to fill before you even get to harder use cases.

For those who are unsure, all I can say is go and test drive one for the weekend. You’ll quickly realise why those who is who own electric cars don’t want to go back alongside the other 95% who own one and feel the same way.

There are pros, there are cons, most of us feel that the pros significantly outweigh the cons.

Even when public charging, it’s not like I’m sat there waiting for it to charge. If I know I’m going to need to charge at some point in the day, I’ll just top it off whenever it’s stopped and there is a charger available rather than waiting for a specific time.
 
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I've finally gone back electric, RS6 went to free up some funds and now into a P100D Model S from 2017/18.

Not had it for long enough to make a comment but loving it :D
 
Pricing up the hardware for a home ev charger install (for id3)

myself and neighbours each have a 2.5mm2 cable over a distance of 25/30M to get to garages and it would cost £4/5K to dig up paving and install a 4+mm2 (probably can't pull a bigger cable through)
looks like existing cable could pull 3.7KW within the 5% voltage drop limits
if we then had a
PME FAULT DETECTION METAL CU WITH RCBO AND SURGE PROTECTION £85

16 Amp 230V 3 Pin Interlock Socket Switched 2P+E Single Phase Blue £30​

Tesla – Commando Charger For 1 Phase 16A Commando Socket £200

any thoughts on pope maths ?
probably need an electrician to install it (to check CU connections, also I guess you must ferrule cables, and run tests)
the garage 2.5 cable would go exclusively to the PME unit, and other electrical stuff could be plugged in the commando inside garage, when not used for the ev parked outside garage (cable under door).
would need to use a fair amount of electricity above the power of a granny charger, to offset the install cost; neighbour with id4 currently limits his garage granny to 2Kw to avoid heating.
Seems ID3 could work on octopus Intelligent without need for a smart charger.
 
well you need 6mm for 32A so 16A 2.5mm sound sketchy.

How bad of a job do they have to do to dig up a 25M trench and only fit a conduit suitable for 4mm :cry:
 
cable would have to traverse concrete french drains across front of concrete floored garages and paving bricks on the drives, so subsequent subsidence might be hard to avoid.
if myself and 3 neighbors all had it done, then since most of the cable runs would be in same trench, costs would be reduced.
 
You can run 32A on 4mm in most (but not all) circumstances. The issue is most EV chargers specify a 40A breaker which is what steps you up to a 6mm cable.

I’m pretty sure 2.5mm can technically up to 27A if I remember correctly. You can use it to spur a double socket off a ring mains which could in theory pull 26A.

That said it entirely depends how it’s terminated at the house end and it of course may need to be de-rated if for example, it is ran in insulated wall. I think SWA can go slightly higher if directly buried in the ground.

If you were digging a hole, you’d install at least a 10mm or perhaps even a 16mm if you were feeling flush so you never have to worry about it again.

P.S. stop googling, get an electrician or just use a granny charger.
 
Like I said I realise/think the existing 2.5 would only give 16A/3.7KW ...
- having seen that you can now get a reasonably priced CU with the appropriate PEN protection, that seems to open up a cheaper commando plug charger route for 7.4KW too, if you have a smart car.
 
Goodie said:
have you had any movement? I'm waiting for an update from the dealership, so far we were told early Dec, then mid Dec and finally just Dec. I could see it slipping to January.
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Hi was going to come in to say - initial estimate of April / May

Is now showing mid Feb to end of March and desperately trying to arrange an 'interim vehicle' with them which is, quite honestly, painful!

Fingers crossed it gets sooner and keep us updated :)
 
jpaul said:
Like I said I realise/think the existing 2.5 would only give 16A/3.7KW ...
- having seen that you can now get a reasonably priced CU with the appropriate PEN protection, that seems to open up a cheaper commando plug charger route for 7.4KW too, if you have a smart car.
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Like I said if you dig a hole you don’t compromise. You need to listen and not just say stuff : Radio Pope. 25m is loads.
 
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Jonnycoupe said:
Like I said if you dig a hole you don’t compromise.
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I don't want to dig a hole will cost 4/5K if I & neighbours can get 3.7KW charging through existing wiring for £400 that would probably do me -
listen to what no-one added anything to what I originally said I posted my summary to see if anyone knew any obvious pitfalls, obviously slightly unusual situation
 
jpaul said:
I don't want to dig a hole will cost 4/5K if I & neighbours can get 3.7KW charging through existing wiring for £400 that would probably do me -
listen to what no-one added anything to what I originally said I posted my summary to see if anyone knew any obvious pitfalls, obviously slightly unusual situation
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Just get a granny charger
 
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