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Imagibe having a £100k Porsche and still seeing holidaying as dragging a shed around to poop in a wardrobe. Funny old world. GREAT for the clicks though and that revenue stream.
When are you going fully electric?
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Imagibe having a £100k Porsche and still seeing holidaying as dragging a shed around to poop in a wardrobe. Funny old world. GREAT for the clicks though and that revenue stream.
There just aren't that many EVs rated to tow heavy loads, and they are much more effected by air resistance than an ICE. It's compounded buy the cost of public charging and logistics of charging with a trailer attached.
It's a case of horses for courses. You wouldn't buy a 1L Aygo for towing. You mostly won't buy an EV either. Though some EVs can obviously tow within limits well enough to be useful.
I think when Harry goes on about such things it looks a bit click baity.
Yes I forget every road is flat, straight and you're never stopped/slowed by traffic so weight is irrelevant.
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obviously weight IS relevant to a point however at least with hills, what goes up (usually) goes down. The beauty of an EV is they will be able to regen a lot of that potential energy when you do come back down. Yes i accept if you are holidaying in the mountains running out of juice half way up, its scant consolation that when you go home you will use almost zero energy... but for most journeys a lot of those hills will partly balance out.
utlimately i agree that right now towing large loads is far easier with a big diesel!. For now those small percentage of people who tow massive caravans would be better not getting an ev yet.. but with wagons moving over to electric now surely the practicality of charging with a big coffin on the back (
) should get easier.also i expect if not already sooner rather than later someone will develop a caravan with a battery in the bottom to increase the range of the EV and possibly also allow regen from the caravan as well. i guess that may also need work from the ev side of things as well to support such a thing
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I love Harrys starting line, 'you can still buy the normal macan for some reason' just before he goes on to slate the EV variaent no doubt. The guy is a dinosaur.
Stop guessing its boring, you can see a GP about your addiction to posting utter tripe you know. Im starting to be concerned you have a medical condition.
Stop guessing its boring, you can see a GP about your addiction to posting utter tripe you know. Im starting to be concerned you have a medical condition.
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lol I wouldn't bother.
TL;DR - towing something big affects range. I think the only "valid" point is the one around towing and charging being a pain - there is a clip of him parking across six bays. That's just before he says "I didn't actually need to charge anyways".
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surely you wouldnt do that anyway? i can imagine the rage if 1 person tied up that many bays. if it were me i would unhook the van in a separate space and then charge in a single space. yes it would invconvenience me a bit but i would have to be pretty selfish to think inconviencing 5 other people is more acceptable than me unhooking a caravan.
in some countries there are extra long bays for this kind of thing. hopefully we get those in this country as well at some point.
in some countries there are extra long bays for this kind of thing. hopefully we get those in this country as well at some point.
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He got excited how easy the trailor was to get on and off with the feature then shows he doesnt need too, let alone want to.
'All infractstructre seems to need you to reverse in'
No Harry - the cables are connected to the big box, the car you have as the socket on the rear... Honestly i find him annoying now, seems to be comparing it to the Taycan to as though its a replacement to it!
'All infractstructre seems to need you to reverse in'
No Harry - the cables are connected to the big box, the car you have as the socket on the rear... Honestly i find him annoying now, seems to be comparing it to the Taycan to as though its a replacement to it!
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The availability of vehicles with a reasonable towing capacity is definitely an issue and some of the staples you’d expect would be able to tow (like VW) have very low capacities. The only cars with 2000kg+ are very expensive which isn’t the case in ICE world.
However, having actually towed a caravan longish distance (well over 300 miles), the difficulties are generally overstated and my Model Y isn’t even the best at it. The EV6 and Ionic V make better tow cars in that segment of the market because of how quickly they can get back to 80%.
The main issue is the layout of chargers, or they put them in unhelpful places with little thought for those who might have a bike rack or trailer on the car. Would I like a bit more range, sure but I don’t really need that much, 30 miles or so would be nice.
The general layouts you see in France and Germany tend to be much more forgiving.
No, i actually don’t. It’s really not that relevant in the context of towing behind a car, almost all the impact is from the shape of the trailer.
While not scientific, there are plenty of people sharing their experiences towing with an EV so plenty of combinations of car and trailer have been tested.
The irony is getting slowed by traffic leads to your range increasing, by quite a lot.
Yeah it's really left a soul taste in my mouth about him too. He was like a "designer" Clarkson; but he's turning into an absolute clown with each and every EV review he does. He seems to be getting a pretty large JLR stipend as well, making him completely untrustworthy/non-independent on anything he says.
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Update on my EV search - the Model Y is current favourite; but I am battling the maths below:
The Cost column is relative to the Peugeot (568/mo). I need something that fits on my slightly constrained drive - right now I can orientate the Pug so I can get my E43 off of it quite easily. I was VERY tempted by the Model Y, but given it exceeds £40k and is quite a bit more expensive (£2k/year) I am thinking very hard with brain vs. heart (quite like the idea of a Tesla for a minute or two).
Looks like the Renault Scenic could be the best value and size.
My Pug isn't due till July but I understand the Lux tax goes on for cars registered past April --- this means for the Tesla I'd be inclined to pay an early redemption fee equal to like £800. For the Scenic, subject to price increasing, I could let the Pug wash out. I'm well in on mileage although I have some damage to repair.
I think the MG4 is an impossible prospect to overlook if you are looking for a hatch. It is insane value for money -- I am trying to find a car that works as a main family car though; so the E43 just becomes exclusive to work trips where I can get 45p/mile. This is what made the Model Y really compelling - but the £2k extra cost would become £2k+£800 or £2k+£380x3.
Man of Honour
I had 5 adults and 4 small suitcases in it on Friday but you could go MG5.
My update on the MG4:
It's the first car since 1975 I've ever wanted to drive, my wife does all the driving but I get to the keys first now.
I also only drive it in ECO Mode, it's still like poo off a shovel.
With the back seats down I can easily get all my band gear in it with a bit spare, I fitted a dog cover for protection.
Octopus iGo working great with the Zappi.
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We need two cars as I work away a lot - you are right though. Or I could cash-in in the E43 for £25k and just run the Tesla.
The issue is the boot - I don't think I'll be able to get the buggy flat without moving the seats, which with two child chairs is impossible. The Pug is like a glove w.r.t to the buggy; any smaller and I am in real pain.
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Buggies are a pain.
How old is the youngest? We made our boy walk everywhere and chucked the buggy at 3, he walks everywhere like a champ now.
Have you considered the Cupra Tavascan?
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Tavascan isn't a bad shout - 353 miles. Looks cool - £750/month and over £40k though. Not sure it is materially better than a Model Y (£300 cheaper) or even a Ford Explorer.
Edit: agree RE: buggy but he's only 7 weeks so have 3 years to go. Also I want this to potentially be a swap for the main car for driving holidays etc
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Not really on the sal sac train myself but getting yourself the MG4 for local stuff and having £3000 for fuel compared to getting a Model Y that you would use for family trips seems to be an economically sensible decision
That's from the perspective of already having an E43 to keep, but I suppose if you got rid of it in a year then you'd be stuck with the MG4 for another couple of years..
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Yeah that's one of the coin flips I'll have to make as it's a pretty firm 3 year commitment. MG4 is a bargain but it could never do proper family duty. A Model Y or similar opens up the potential to shift the E43 on (it is getting on, albeit perfect bill of health as of last Friday's service/MOT) and get a smaller everyday car (probably a used MG4, lol) and net the difference.
I am looking to bin all of my higher earnings into pension so the £3k saving just goes into pension; so not the most attractive upside vs. real money in pocket.
It's quite a well thought out car from a practicality viewpoint, decent usable space in a smallish footprint and also decent from software feature set and useful buttons. Trumps a lot of cars on your list IMO because of that but boot lip is a downer for smashing a big buggy in and out.
On the buggy front, my missus love these chunky things that barely fit in any cars but as soon as our daughter was less floppy (don't know age details
) she went into a super lightweight and small mclaren then any car was good, I could get a couple of those in my Up!.We actually had a Grand Scenic back then, we could carry pretty much anything, dull as dishwater but absolutely perfect and family transport, comfy, reliable, storage everywhere, hardwearing interior, super cheap to run, 6yrs/100k miles towing etc (illegally
because it had no tow weight and did not realize French qualify tow weight as single occupant ..... ) zero trouble, just add fuel, pre dpf days so was 60mpg easy.
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Have you ruled out the ID7 then? For some reason I thought you were keen on that (as I still am)
