Say that again when it snows
Just because a car has xx bhp it doesn't mean it has to be used.
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Just because a car has xx bhp it doesn't mean it has to be used.
Only my opinion.
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Even less grip when it snows then? He’ll probably say exactly the same.
I doubt it regarding the grip in snow, i drove past plenty rear wheel drive cars that were stuck a couple of year ago.
tbf i drove past plenty abandones fwd cars
The experts are out again without driving any. Kia soul made the sound ever (and smoke) when I pulled out of a junction without traction off which is equally as useful as commenting about the snow. Few ev tend to pull all over the road under acceleration in my experience. Even 4wd suffer from it as the steering is corrupted
I’m surprised the first comment was impressive power in the context of a 134hp heavy car really. It must feel weak even compared to a 200hp rwd EV. But hey. After 3yrs of reading links and seeing videos, to make his opinions, he has finally got behind the wheel of one
I’m surprised the first comment was impressive power in the context of a 134hp heavy car really. It must feel weak even compared to a 200hp rwd EV. But hey. After 3yrs of reading links and seeing videos, to make his opinions, he has finally got behind the wheel of one
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This sounds more like you don’t know how to drive more than anything else.proof of life photo V well I lived after driving it.
yes the power and torque is impressive, with some torque steer/traction control evident if exited roundabout fast (not really via steering wheel but backside) but it's fwd, too.
brakes are biggest issue not progressive, seemed on and off, so that you couldn't modulate bend/roundabout approach speed by feeling what kind of momentum/deceleration you created
'otherwise' weight wan't too evident could feel some chassis movement side to side on uneven fens roads that suspension wasn't able to quell & it rather fell into potholes
... several days to try it out now.
The Mokka isn’t the best EV out there but having had one as a hire car for two days, it’s little different to any other FWD car in that if you floor it you’re going to get torque steer. Yes the regen braking takes a little getting used to, but come on.
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I don't think it was a damascene conversion
I never used bags of sand in my bmw (just chains), didn't have traction control, but modern electronics, too, would sort a rwd EV.
yes but ev's have a more uniform weight distribution with heavy battery, motors can (agree - should) be in the back so you can use that for rwd traction benefit - so do the rules of fwd still hold.Say that again when it snows
Just because a car has xx bhp it doesn't mean it has to be used.
I never used bags of sand in my bmw (just chains), didn't have traction control, but modern electronics, too, would sort a rwd EV.
The torque definitely distorts the perception - one of my cars is a 1.6 TDI Qashqai which is relatively heavy and 130BHP but 320nm torque and it definitely feels much more lively than the perception you'd normally get with a heavy car and a 1.6L ~130BHP engine.
Soldato
Imagine when he goes back to the sluggish and slow unresponsive Audi, bet he won't say a word.
Is it pure regen initially, or blended (supposedly taycans prowess), either way there's no progressive aspect, and it feels as though they have been over cautious trying to anticipate mokkas weight,
even though only 1600kg(I just learned)
but it wouldn't be fun for passengers or the guy in car behind
e: ??? can regen braking alone be progressive ? you don't have a clutch in the drivetrain do you ?
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I’ve no idea whether it’s ’blended’ or not, but after 30 minutes driving the car I experienced none of the supposed issues you had.
And yes, regen braking can be progressive in the sense that the more you come off the accelerator the more regen you get. It’s exactly how it is in my Tesla. Some cars will let you come to a complete stop and some won’t.
I'm not sure if my e2008 is a relative of the Mokka but I had the same feedback on e2008 brakes. It was like they were either on, or off. Very difficult to impart good driving wisdom to my wife when the car behaves pretty poorly.
Soldato
Maybe read the manual? Check setting for B-mode. 
What are you talking about/to?Maybe read the manual? Check setting for B-mode.
I am talking about brakes not regenerative breaking/one pedal drive.
as dlockers clarified , I am being unclear I mean when you are using the brake pedal, how much of that energy is dissipated in regen versus friction brakes, and,
wondering if the regen brakeing, which I suspect is prioritized, is less progressive than friction (where I would say I can usually scrub off the speed I want, without jerkiness)
as dlockers said I thought B-mode was just for regen/coasting/lift-off , but need to play with it.
e: no video ? I had read this, out of interest before replying, which is way beyond any video or desciption I'd seen before
https://www.theautopian.com/why-an-...-why-you-shouldnt-be-scared-of-brake-by-wire/
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Yes they are blended from motor regen to then friction helping if the driver /ACC request is higher than what the motor regen can do
This is pretty tricky to get right so does vary between cars but you get used to it and wouldn’t try and over think it. Most cars have a regen gauge to give you an idea of it but I tend to use ACC most the time to control speed then brakes if I ever need more. Regen setting irrelevant then.
B will give max regen I imagine so anything more needs friction. If you on a cruise mode then some pedal will be regen and then move into friction. Unless it’s a Tesla which doesn’t seem to have any regen linked to brake pedal
Surprised no YouTube video has explained this ?
This is pretty tricky to get right so does vary between cars but you get used to it and wouldn’t try and over think it. Most cars have a regen gauge to give you an idea of it but I tend to use ACC most the time to control speed then brakes if I ever need more. Regen setting irrelevant then.
B will give max regen I imagine so anything more needs friction. If you on a cruise mode then some pedal will be regen and then move into friction. Unless it’s a Tesla which doesn’t seem to have any regen linked to brake pedal
Surprised no YouTube video has explained this ?
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I've never driven an EV that has jerky brakes. It's simply like engine breaking until the driver presses the brakes harder so the brakes are used. How much speed you scrub is up to the driver, how could it be otherwise.
It rewards the smooth driver. Jerky breaking sounds like a heavy foot.
I switch between ICE and EV and don't notice the difference. Maybe I've just got used to it.
All cars EV or ICE have different brake feel. The main criticism I hear about EV breaking is they can feel a little soft. But I think that's more about modern braking systems out thinking the drivers instinct to put their foot through the pedal.
E2008 and apparently a Mokka. Driven either of those?
Oddly I've not driven ever EV or ICE ever made. But if one researches those cars up you find many issues with brakes on the ICE versions including recalls. The feedback on those EVs is mostly about soft pedal feel.
I guess if I test drove a car and didn't like something like the brake feel, I wouldn't buy it.
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Thanks for the replies everyone, really appreciate it.
I have a feeling I will be overwhelmed by options to start with so will be taking it slow and trying everything out at some point in timeLearn the EV side of things before you go putting it in the fake ICE mode
As most have said, get in the habit of just plugging in whenever you get home. Limit charging to 80% unless you need the full 100% the next morning.
Thanks, got most of them already installed but will take a look at the others now.
As others have correctly said, the Ioniq 5 N
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