When are you going fully electric?

HEADRAT said:
I presume you're just being deliberately obtuse, obviously my concern is currently their is no "fuel duty" on EV, this won't continue and their is nothing from the Government to say what the new regime would be ;)
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It's going to take a while to replace well over 30 million vehicles, I'm sure they'll think of something by the time it becomes important enough to matter, in the mean time they'll set a date in a few years, where that fuel duty freeze they've been putting off for over a decade is pushed up to help offset the losses, and as you said work it on a pay per mile system which seems much more fair.

Don't miss out paying less tax for once in your life! ;)
 
Journey said:
It's going to take a while to replace well over 30 million vehicles, I'm sure they'll think of something by the time it becomes important enough to matter, in the mean time they'll set a date in a few years, where that fuel duty freeze they've been putting off for over a decade is pushed up to help offset the losses, and as you said work it on a pay per mile system which seems much more fair.

Don't miss out paying less tax for once in your life! ;)
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this, if you can make it work for you, make hay while the sun shines.
3p per mile motoring won’t last
 
HEADRAT said:
My concern about going electric is there seems to be no indication from Government how they replace falling duties on petrol/diesel as people move to electric (maybe a per mile charge), I can't imagine they will continue not to TAX electric vehicles going forward, any news on this?
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Once they start taxing the mileage you do in a electric car i can see a lot less people willing to jump from there petrol & diesel cars :D
 
chorse said:
Will take many years for EVs to be a significant percentage of the whole fleet. Even if 100% sales are BEVs going forward.
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Guessing the government would lose around £1000 per year fuel duty on each EV

That clocks up up pretty fast when you think that will be £5000 fuel duty loss for each EV over 5 years
 
chaparral said:
Guessing the government would lose around £1000 per year fuel duty on each EV

That clocks up up pretty fast when you think that will be £5000 fuel duty loss for each EV over 5 years
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If you think the government are going to ban the sale of ICE vehicles, and yet somehow encourage drivers out of EV into ICE, you may need to rethink your suggestions! :D
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
At the previous budget they said it would be the last one where it didn’t increase. That said it was before COVID hit hard so who knows.
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It's a tough decision for them, you'd be affecting the price of almost everything by upping duty on fuels now, and with business teetering on the brink of collapse it is the last thing they need. However conversely we also need to think about paying back huge sums of UK public debt, and promoting a cleaner, and greener future for the UK as a whole.

Which ever way they go it will be the wrong way, and *insert group(s) of annoyed people here* will be mega upset about it.

Maybe they could look at bringing in the idea of pay-per-mile sooner rather than later, that would make people drive less which helps both the wallet and the environment, I mean look what happened to plastic bag use when they started charging 5p for them.
 
chaparral said:
Once they start taxing the mileage you do in a electric car i can see a lot less people willing to jump from there petrol & diesel cars :D
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Joe T said:
If you think the government are going to ban the sale of ICE vehicles, and yet somehow encourage drivers out of EV into ICE, you may need to rethink your suggestions! :D
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chaparral said:
No i just think they what to charge people for the mileage they do in the EV vehicles sooner or later
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Overall the government will not encourage people out of EV into ICE. The sums will still add up to make it beneficial to go EV. So there will be no "less people willing to jump from there petrol and diesel cars".
 
How would they force people to move over when the time comes?

Financially I couldn't afford to buy an electric car and I don't really see that changing. If they offered a scrappage scheme it still would leave way too much money to pay out.

There is a reason people like me drive old bangers.
 
Hedge said:
How would they force people to move over when the time comes?

Financially I couldn't afford to buy an electric car and I don't really see that changing. If they offered a scrappage scheme it still would leave way too much money to pay out.

There is a reason people like me drive old bangers.
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There's no forcing. But the plan would be something like:

- stop the sale of new petrol/diesel cars
- create fiscal policy to encourage the use of EV vehicles over ICE

The prices of EVs are coming down all the time, so given time, the equation changes more and more in the favour of EV. Auto Express reported on some research just today that the balance has already tipped in favour of EV.

Sure, the economics look somewhat different, with more of the cost in the asset and much less in the running costs. But that's an asset that has a huge second life as re-purposed batteries.
 
chaparral said:
Once they start taxing the mileage you do in a electric car i can see a lot less people willing to jump from there petrol & diesel cars :D
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So... the government is going to spend billions over a couple of decades on promoting BEVs (and other LEVs), and then kill sales by disproportionately increasing taxation?

I think not. More likely, fuel duty will also rise. The winners will likely be owners of older EVs, which don't have the required hardware for per-mile taxation. Realistically, there's no fair way to tax those cars, as upping the VAT on electricity would result in "Doris" potentially freezing to death over the Winter.
 
Hedge said:
How would they force people to move over when the time comes?

Financially I couldn't afford to buy an electric car and I don't really see that changing. If they offered a scrappage scheme it still would leave way too much money to pay out.

There is a reason people like me drive old bangers.
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They force people who can afford to buy new cars by using incentives.
These cars then trickle into the used market and eventually into your hands, bingo you’re driving an ev
 
jamoor said:
They force people who can afford to buy new cars by using incentives.
These cars then trickle into the used market and eventually into your hands, bingo you’re driving an ev
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Unless battery tech moves on a lot and/or other forces of economics, etc. then at your barrel scraping prices - the kind of budget that vast numbers are working with - the battery is basically on its last legs and probably significantly under its original capacity (not an issue you have with bangers even if there are a lot of other things not in great shape).

Things are going to have to change a lot.
 
jamoor said:
They force people who can afford to buy new cars by using incentives.
These cars then trickle into the used market and eventually into your hands, bingo you’re driving an ev
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I just can't imagine getting an EV for a few grand that would be suitable for up to 20k miles a year. It takes about 8 - 10 years for new petrol/diesel saloons to come down to around 3k where someone like me would usually pick one up.

I definitely like the idea of EV. I just can't picture how the transition will be made for someone like myself who likes cheap workhorse cars.
 
Hedge said:
I just can't imagine getting an EV for a few grand that would be suitable for up to 20k miles a year. It takes about 8 - 10 years for new petrol/diesel saloons to come down to around 3k where someone like me would usually pick one up.

I definitely like the idea of EV. I just can't picture how the transition will be made for someone like myself who likes cheap workhorse cars.
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Why don’t you buy
Rroff said:
Unless battery tech moves on a lot and/or other forces of economics, etc. then at your barrel scraping prices - the kind of budget that vast numbers are working with - the battery is basically on its last legs and probably significantly under its original capacity (not an issue you have with bangers even if there are a lot of other things not in great shape).

Things are going to have to change a lot.
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This is all just nonsense
On a model 3 the batter is rated to 500k
 
Hedge said:
I just can't imagine getting an EV for a few grand that would be suitable for up to 20k miles a year. It takes about 8 - 10 years for new petrol/diesel saloons to come down to around 3k where someone like me would usually pick one up.

I definitely like the idea of EV. I just can't picture how the transition will be made for someone like myself who likes cheap workhorse cars.
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a couple of things - EVs may look special and exotic right now but if 90% of the new cars sold are ev then there will be a very different picture.
 
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