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When are you going fully electric?

Discussion in 'Motors' started by Ricochet J, Aug 23, 2018.

  1. satchef1

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    I wasn't intending to infer that those costs would stick, or that single pump stations would remain the norm. But the current costs suggest some incredible economies of scale would be needed to reduce the cost of infrastructure to something reasonable. The Japanese are aiming to reduce costs to 50% by 2030 by installing 900 filling stations.

    On performance, the motors in the Mirai are marginally more powerful than those in the 2018 Leaf. The Leaf hits 60 in about 7.5s.
     
  2. Jonnycoupe

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    Leaf e+ moves that on :p
     
  3. b0rn2sk8

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    #rapidgate has been fixed (at what degridation cost has yet to be seen). But what’s more mind boggling is the Leaf e+ still has an air cooled battery....I just don’t understand what they are thinking. That and still with Chademo...
     
  4. Matthew.M

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    I’d disagree with fixed. Improved perhaps, but it still throttles. Most cars have cooling and will continue to run at max charge speed.

    Remains to be seen how this impacts the larger battery but I agree it’s a terrible decision. They also have really bad winter consumption as they lack battery heating. I really feel like Nissan have wasted their early head start in the market.
     
  5. Jonnycoupe

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    They have kinda done an i3? Better cells in the same architecture. Kinda make their bed I guess!
     
  6. b0rn2sk8

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    Yes, but more cells packaged more closely together means more heat and more concentrated heat that is more difficult to dissipate and no active cooling.
     
  7. Jonnycoupe

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    The cells have actually got more capacity for the same format. With a higher capacity at the same current the C rating for the charge reduced might actually reduce the heat generated.

    Pay your money and take your choices I guess.
     
  8. b0rn2sk8

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    You certainly pay your money, I didn't realise the car is £36,795 AFTER £3,500 government grant. That makes the car £40,295 :eek:

    Bonkers.

    You are starting to get up into Model 3 money at that price.
     
  9. Jonnycoupe

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    Model 3 conjecture though.