When are you going fully electric?

gailjon · 30 Mar 2021 at 19:21

I have seen now thast you can pay to

request the opportunity to order one of the 3,000 IONIQ 5 Project 45 vehicles, based on the given specifications and subject to the payment of the reservation fee and availability. The online reservation itself is not a direct order or purchase and does not commit you to purchase, but instead offered you the exclusive right to order the car once the car arrives in the UK.

You can't order the car yet, only pay to reserve the right to order a car once they appear. Who knows when that may be or how much. And yes, all the initial 3000 have been reserved.

Jonnycoupe · 30 Mar 2021 at 19:37

Project 45 is just the launch special edition aswell. They tend to move between markets whilst say 20k global cars, sometimes the US (just for example) might suddently get 6,000 cars instead of 4500.

Journey · 30 Mar 2021 at 20:34

I see that BMW have done a full u-turn and more with the price of the i3, raising the price but not knowing the grant was going to be cut so they've now reduced the price to lower than it was previously, down to£33,805 OTR to £34,805 OTR, and with the £2.5k that makes them £31,305 and £32,305. Pretty amazing that just two weeks ago it was nearly £40k, guess they've got plenty of margin to play with.

RoboCod · 30 Mar 2021 at 20:40

You have to pay for the badge

Journey · 30 Mar 2021 at 22:06

RoboCod said:
You have to pay for the badge

I literally wouldn't be surprised if BMW charged for the badges as an extra to squeak in under the £35k point for the grant.

In all seriousness though, if you had to pay for badges would you buy them, I know I never would.

Somnambulist · 30 Mar 2021 at 22:24

Sat in the commute queue next to a Taycan on Monday morning and ooft! First one I’ve seen in the wild. Died when I looked at how much all the seemingly infinite optional extras would add up to.

lordrobs · 31 Mar 2021 at 13:14

Following a Polestar on the way home yesterday and I couldn't help but notice how the light bar highlighted just how wonky the tailgate was! The lights looked about 5mm off at each end... in opposite directions! Maybe this one had been in a shunt but it gave me flashbacks of seemingly endless monologues I had to hear about Tesla tailgate alignment

jpaul · 31 Mar 2021 at 13:38

[bmw still didn't produce a car with the newly copyrighted - backlit badge ?]

after reading the hyundai detail on technology
https://tech.hyundaimotorgroup.com/article/realizing-new-ev-lifestyles-5-advantages-of-the-e-gmp/
interesting it will have oil for motor cooling(oil changes ! - does oil conduct/transport heat faster), no details on motor control/traction control,
they talk about battery pack integrity, but less so importance of upper body for the structural rigidity and passenger cell protection ... like the polestar protection thingumyjig.

Simon · 31 Mar 2021 at 14:03

Most EVs have motor/ gear oil today and battery /inverter coolants which are water based but potentially oil based in future

Jonnycoupe · 31 Mar 2021 at 14:52

jpaul said:
[bmw still didn't produce a car with the newly copyrighted - backlit badge ?]

after reading the hyundai detail on technology
https://tech.hyundaimotorgroup.com/article/realizing-new-ev-lifestyles-5-advantages-of-the-e-gmp/
interesting it will have oil for motor cooling(oil changes ! - does oil conduct/transport heat faster), no details on motor control/traction control,
they talk about battery pack integrity, but less so importance of upper body for the structural rigidity and passenger cell protection ... like the polestar protection thingumyjig.

Oil lubricates the gears....

jpaul · 31 Mar 2021 at 15:12

lol - read the article - sprayed over the windings ! ... suppose it's more inert than water too.

Jonnycoupe · 31 Mar 2021 at 15:30

Oh yeah

that is pretty cool...

DarrenM343 · 31 Mar 2021 at 20:10

Journey said:
I see that BMW have done a full u-turn and more with the price of the i3, raising the price but not knowing the grant was going to be cut so they've now reduced the price to lower than it was previously, down to£33,805 OTR to £34,805 OTR, and with the £2.5k that makes them £31,305 and £32,305. Pretty amazing that just two weeks ago it was nearly £40k, guess they've got plenty of margin to play with.

And there were many people stating BMW must be losing money on each one sold

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I might have been tempted to buy new if this happened 6 or so weeks ago. Still saved a nice chunk buying a used 2020 but just not as much as seemed to be the case when I bought it, considering this price change. Probably will hit used values more now too.

Jonnycoupe · 31 Mar 2021 at 20:36

To counter the comment above...They lose even more on each one not sold.

b0rn2sk8 · 31 Mar 2021 at 20:46

Perhaps they realised no one was going to buy an i3 for over £40k when you get get a plethora of significantly better cars for the same money or less. E.g a Tesla model 3.

jpaul · 31 Mar 2021 at 21:34

The proven residuals are currently there for the i3 , and golf-e though,
'better' is subjective, so if the form/range of the i3 meets your needs and it costs, say,33% less per mile than a T3 ?

I thought bmw, backed off i3 prices, because brexit wasn't finally a no-deal. (fleetnews had attributed the original rise to that fear)

Journey · 31 Mar 2021 at 21:48

jpaul said:
I thought bmw, backed off i3 prices, because brexit wasn't finally a no-deal. (fleetnews had attributed the original rise to that fear)

BMW actually said that it was regardless of a deal or no-deal. The prices would be going up due to the rules surrounding the number of parts in the vehicles not being made in the EU, therefore could not be exported without breaching these guidelines, the same as Nissan are facing with the Leaf going the other way. Waiting for any sort of confirmation as to whether or not the EU have relaxed this to help hit emissions targets, and if it only affects them sending cars this direction.

So the price drop is odd, but then again BMW's BEV stance is odd right now.

DarrenM343 · 1 Apr 2021 at 07:37

b0rn2sk8 said:
Perhaps they realised no one was going to buy an i3 for over £40k when you get get a plethora of significantly better cars for the same money or less. E.g a Tesla model 3.

Tesla M3 are bigger and heavier, not something everyone wants & lose out in some areas. Most won't keep their EV's long enough but I expect i3's will still be roaming the streets when similar aged Tesla's are rotten corpses

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Lots of other competition arriving now to the small EV market I think and BMW only making the i3 for a few more years.

Would be great if BMW made other EV models using the construction method. They've said they make a profit on them and the process must have got cheaper over the years. I won't be surprised if a Chinese EV manufacturer does it later. Personally I think the Chinese EV companies are the ones to watch, especially if people can drop their prejudices, buying Chinese brands rather than Chinese built with a Western brand label. Besides, nobody mass produces electrical goods better

RoboCod · 1 Apr 2021 at 08:39

Well BMW better up their game fast. £18k tesla inbound.

https://www.carwow.co.uk/tesla/news...ectric-car-hatchback-price-specs-release-date

b0rn2sk8 · 1 Apr 2021 at 08:46

RoboCod said:
Well BMW better up their game fast. £18k tesla inbound.

https://www.carwow.co.uk/tesla/news...ectric-car-hatchback-price-specs-release-date

Absolutely zero chance that will be £18k, I hate it when journalists do that, it’s just lazy journalism and causes loads of grief. $ prices are quoted without taxes and fees. Remember when the Model 3 first came out and people lost their minds because it was over £40k after being told it would be £30k for years by the press.

It will be closer to £25k-£28k based on EU model 3 prices. That said it will likely still be a decent option and knowing Tesla it will have 250+ miles on WLTP, probably closer to 300.