When are you going fully electric?

b0rn2sk8 said:
Fair enough, in that case I wouldn’t bother considering a PHEV or a electric if you couldn’t plug it in at home.

There are grants that the landlord can access to get a plug installed but you still need a suitable parking space as a requirement.

Is the rental is temporary?
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At the moment no, with the cost of living it's just not a viable option to look to save and buy. Probably accepting that renting is our fate and enjoying our life than worrying "which is why i might just think go for something fun and sporty next year". i'll be 40 so probably going through a mid-life crisis LOL. if only i can afford the Toyota Yaris GR at £34k
 
The thing that stops me going fully electric is the charging times.

Once they get to a point when you can fully charge in the time that it takes you to fill a tank I’ll be all in.

Well that or if I have no other choice.

Most people comment on the range being the issue, but for me it’s the charging times that need to improve.

200 miles range wouldn’t be a problem if you could fully charge in 5 minutes.
 
ChocAndGray said:
The thing that stops me going fully electric is the charging times.

Once they get to a point when you can fully charge in the time that it takes you to fill a tank I’ll be all in.

Well that or if I have no other choice.

Most people comment on the range being the issue, but for me it’s the charging times that need to improve.

200 miles range wouldn’t be a problem if you could fully charge in 5 minutes.
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Some of the newer EVs you can charge from 20-80% in the time you go for a wee in the services.

But need the right charger and infrastructure is very variable depending on the journeys you do and where you live

Also the EVs with 800V capability tend to be quite expensive!
 
chanjy said:
Some of the newer EVs you can charge from 20-80% in the time you go for a wee in the services.

But need the right charger and infrastructure is very variable depending on the journeys you do and where you live

Also the EVs with 800V capability tend to be quite expensive!
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Yes the Ioniq 5 for example can charge to 80% in 18 minutes but as you say you need the right type of charger.

I love driving electric cars and sometimes take one from work (as long as there’s enough charge to get me home and back), but as someone that lives in an apartment with no charging points they’re just not convenient for me yet which is a shame.
 
ChocAndGray said:
The thing that stops me going fully electric is the charging times.

Once they get to a point when you can fully charge in the time that it takes you to fill a tank I’ll be all in.

Well that or if I have no other choice.

Most people comment on the range being the issue, but for me it’s the charging times that need to improve.

200 miles range wouldn’t be a problem if you could fully charge in 5 minutes.
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I can’t see that happening with current technology. Even at a fairly generous 4miles per kWh, you asking the charger to deliver 50kwh in 5 minutes. That would need a grid connection of 600kw before charging losses so more like 700 kw for a single charger.

For reference that’s double the current max out out of chargers being deployed and no car on sale can fully utilise yet. Those that can take power in that ball park can only sustain is for a few % of the charge cycle before throttling back.

Your not just running up against battery technology but also the types of load that the grid can sustain. Demand that is high power and on, off, on, off, on, off like a rapid charger is hard and expensive to deal with. The more power they draw, the more expensive they are to deal with.

Serious question, why you need 200+ miles of range with a 5 minute recharge? That’s approaching 4 hours of driving in the real world before stopping for 5 mins followed by another 4 hours driving.

The latest cars and chargers add enough back into the car to cover another 2 hours driving in the time it takes to take a leak at the services.
 
ChocAndGray said:
The thing that stops me going fully electric is the charging times.

Once they get to a point when you can fully charge in the time that it takes you to fill a tank I’ll be all in.

Well that or if I have no other choice.

Most people comment on the range being the issue, but for me it’s the charging times that need to improve.

200 miles range wouldn’t be a problem if you could fully charge in 5 minutes.
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Wow, the idea of filling my car in 5 minutes. What a chore taking that long. Ill stick to 20 seconds thanks
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Serious question, why you need 200+ miles of range with a 5 minute recharge? That’s approaching 4 hours of driving in the real world before stopping for 5 mins followed by another 4 hours driving.

The latest cars and chargers add enough back into the car to cover another 2 hours driving in the time it takes to take a leak at the services.
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Well the 200 miles in 5 minutes was an exaggeration.

I guess I’m basing my desires for my current circumstances.

I took an electric car home a few weeks ago and I didn’t have enough charge to get back to work. As I don’t have the luxury of plugging in at home overnight which would have been ideal regardless of charging times, I had to find a charging point which was out of the way and I sat in the car for about 45 minutes.

It was just a massive inconvenience.

If I lived in a house with a charging point the current electric cars would be fine as I’d be charging overnight.

I could also save myself an extortionate amount of company car tax if I had an electric car.
 
I don’t think anyone suggests getting an electric car at the moment if you don’t have a reliable place to charge home or work etc.

I presume you couldn’t charge it at home because you don’t have a suitable socket that is accessible from outside or parking space?

I also presume that as you just borrowed the car you don’t have any incentive to get one put in?

The defining factor of all of us that have a positive experience owning an EV is that the vast majority of us charge at home.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
I don’t think anyone suggests getting an electric car at the moment if you can’t charge it at home.

I presume you couldn’t char it at home because you don’t have a suitable socket that is accessible from outside or parking space?

I also presume that as you just borrowed the car you don’t have any incentive to get one out in?

The defining factor of all of us that have a positive experience owning an EV is that the vast majority of us charge at home.
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Correct I don’t have charging points at home as I live in an apartment. Even trying to use a 3 pin plug won’t work due to location from my apartment to the car park.

I’m a sales manager for a car dealership so I’m able to take cars home. I have an allocated company car that is on my p11d but every now and again I take a different car.

Sometimes it’s because my car goes out with a problem customer, and when that happens I tend to take the electric cars home to save on fuel.
 
There is a good public charge network around Glasgow already and there are a good number of EVs in the new housing scheme I live on. Every one of them stay in the apartments. There is a Corsa-e. 2 Teslas, a BMW i3 and an ID.3. They all seem to manage charging without a home charger.
 
ChocAndGray said:
I took an electric car home a few weeks ago and I didn’t have enough charge to get back to work. As I don’t have the luxury of plugging in at home overnight which would have been ideal regardless of charging times, I had to find a charging point which was out of the way and I sat in the car for about 45 minutes.
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Why did you need to charge for so long? Did you plug into a 7kW charger, or is your work 200 miles from your home?
 
Journey said:
Why did you need to charge for so long? Did you plug into a 7kW charger, or is your work 200 miles from your home?
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I travel 80 miles each way. I needed as much charge as possible due to test drives in the morning.

The only alternative I had was get to work even earlier than I do to plug it in to get some more miles for test drives.

But as I had to charge to get me to work the next day I decided to just sit in the car to save me leaving earlier the next day.
 
ChocAndGray said:
I’m a sales manager for a car dealership so I’m able to take cars home. I have an allocated company car that is on my p11d but every now and again I take a different car.
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Damn, you're doing it all wrong! You want an EV recorded on your P11D then "every now and then" take home an ICE vehicle. Bugger all BIK and no charging worries, win win :p
 
lordrobs said:
Damn, you're doing it all wrong! You want an EV recorded on your P11D then "every now and then" take home an ICE vehicle. Bugger all BIK and no charging worries, win win :p
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I wish we could do that. Big PLC though so everything by the book.

Some places I worked for used to just do it on an average so they'd put everyone down for a generic car and you could get to drive some tasty cars on low tax.
 
When they aren't prohibitively expensive and when the government wants to give me a nice scrappage for for 2014 diesel that gets about 60+ MPG and is super low cost and maintenance.

I can deal with not having a charging port outside my house but I think anyone not earning silly money who spends £20k+ on a car is an idiot.
 
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