When are you going fully electric?

[TW]Fox said:
The whole point came about because he said he'd be able to charge for £5 a week for usage which used to cost him £80 a week in petrol. Which surely won't be possible for very long as all of the cheap deals will eventually expire?
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Not sure if the petrol or lectric has gone up more in last few months. Ha.

The £5 charge does get tiresome I guess. Peak effficiency rather than real work uk wet winters and ignores chargers losses. So I do roll my eyes. Case in point journey inventing a 5mile/kWh mini Electric consumption when he’s not got one.
 
Actually quite impressed with the new Leaf - got to experience one over the last few days due to having car troubles :( - shame the range still just won't work for me. The ride dynamics and handling is surprisingly good. TBH the only time I actually noticed it was quieter than what I was used to though was when the quiet was broken by the motor whine at certain points at low speeds.
 
Indeed. Pretty obvious: Compromise cabin space for aero. The habitual car design quandary.

Of course you offer a range of cars not to loose too much market share.
 
jpaul said:
yes just looking at hyundai website - some design cues from porshe 911, it looks streamlined, albeit what is a streamlined shape can be unexpected,
VW with their Aero now have a similar strategy , so the solution for long range is a good aero.
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I'll be looking at the 55kWh version, don't really need more that that. Happy with my current Ioniq that does 200 easily in the summer which is when I do most of my long range trips, even just the faster charging speed will make it seem like a big upgrade, not that I really notice it that much now either to be honest.
 
Journey said:
I'll be looking at the 55kWh version, don't really need more that that. Happy with my current Ioniq that does 200 easily in the summer which is when I do most of my long range trips, even just the faster charging speed will make it seem like a big upgrade, not that I really notice it that much now either to be honest.
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Good job you wont notice as its damn ugly!
 
[TW]Fox said:
I think you missed the point - he said it was a myth that tariffs with a low off peak rate had an expensive peak rate, whereas from what I can see most of them have a peak rate thats higher than you'd pay if you were on a price cap tariff. Obviously if you signed up months ago it's different, but this is about now and what happens when the cheaper plans expire.
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Price cap is going to 40p in October. so 39p peak and 7.5p off peak (00:30-04:30) is still ok based on the fact the car will be the main consumer of electrons and your liquid fuel bill goes to zero.

obviously you need the faff of a smart meter and a £1k charger too.
 
SDK^ said:
You don’t need to spend £1k for a home charger. You can get a Wallbox tethered charger for £589, or a smart solar ready Zappi costs £750, all fitted .
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The Zappi costs £800 for the hardware these days, so its basically 1k with fitting, no longer as cheap as it was.
 
Yeh no chance you are getting a high end charger like a Zappi fitted for £750 these days.

The £350 grant which was enabling those prices is long gone for private house owners.

The £1k price is the minimum you’ll pay for something like that now. Most sparks around me charge £70+ an hour these days and even the most straight forward fit is 3 hours work to do it properly.

There are cheaper chargers out there of course but anything now had to be ‘smart’ which pushes up the price somewhat.
 
The Fisker Ocean looks like another good SUV value option
Three models - £35k, £49k and £60k : https://www.fiskerinc.com/en-gb/configure/ocean

I know their car history hasn’t been great, but if they can pull this one off then it could put them back on the good brand radar.


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I like that a lot, good range and should have a useful tow range but UK cars aren't coming for quite a while. Interior looks a bit cheap mind you, still 200 quid reservation, not too bad, can do that, who know it might still come before the others :D
 
I agree it looks nice. If they can build it and it lives up to their promise I can see them selling a few. However, their business model is interesting (outsourcing the manufacture of the car) and I'll believe there will actually be a £35k version when I see it being delivered on mass to actual customers.

I'm sure the price was announced before the £ tanked against the $ but raw material prices are also going in one direction and EU cars are not coming for some time. The equivalent US version is $37,500 and assuming a perfect exchange rate that equates to £31,354, slap on VAT on top and you get £37,634. If the car is built outside of the EU, they'll need to add another 10% import tariff making it just over £40k. All these numbers are before and delivery and registration fees per the small print which is generally frowned upon in the UK/EU.

The small print also states the price is subject to change:
² ALL PRICES LISTED ARE MANUFACTURER’S RECOMMENDED RETAIL PRICE AND INCLUDE 20% VAT BUT CURRENTLY EXCLUDE DELIVERY FEE AND REGISTRATION FEES. PROVISIONAL PRICING ASSUMES NO IMPORT TARIFF IS ENACTED FOR DELIVERY FROM EU. THE VEHICLE IS IN THE HOMOLOGATION PROCESS AND CAN CURRENTLY NOT YET BE PURCHASED. VALID INFORMATION ON PLACE OF DELIVERY, REGISTRATION AND INSURANCE CAN THEREFORE NOT YET BE MADE AND WILL BE GIVEN AS SOON AS THEY ARE AVAILABLE. PRICING IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE AND WILL BE CALCULATED WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER AND WILL FURTHER DEPEND UPON SPECIFICATIONS AND OPTIONS CHOSEN BY YOU WHEN CONFIGURING YOUR FINAL VEHICLE.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
I agree it looks nice. If they can build it and it lives up to their promise I can see them selling a few. However, their business model is interesting (outsourcing the manufacture of the car) and I'll believe there will actually be a £35k version when I see it being delivered on mass to actual customers.
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Similar to the I-Pace (to some extent?)
 
dLockers said:
Similar to the I-Pace (to some extent?)
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Yes well sort of. Fisker plan to use contract manufacturers for this any all future models, that's a very different strategy to everyone else.

I'm sure it has its short term advantages but it doesn't bode well for their long term prospects compared to manufacturers who are more vertically integrated and don't have to give away margin to the contract manufacturer.
 
I also quite like the Genesis GV70 electrified apart from the plastic grill. They are currently doing test drives around the country, I'd rather they just tell me the bloody price, but seeing as the GV60 is far too expensive optioned up so I don't think the GV70 will be a go'er either.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Yes well sort of. Fisker plan to use contract manufacturers for this any all future models, that's a very different strategy to everyone else.

I'm sure it has its short term advantages but it doesn't bode well for their long term prospects compared to manufacturers who are more vertically integrated and don't have to give away margin to the contract manufacturer.
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It’s funny because contract manufacturing is so common for all sorts of other things and they wouldn’t dream of being vertically integrated. Apple, Nike, etc.

At the end of the day they are all just assembling parts made by other people anyway, I’d love to know why car manufacturing has stayed like this but outsourcing has become the norm for so many other industries
 
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