When are you going fully electric?

Jonnycoupe · 26 Feb 2023 at 23:30

dLockers said:
450 just for an outdoor plug? You're getting mugged more than I am lol.

Lots of words here, not sure what the Q or point is? But yeah 450 to wire an outdoor plug you may as well get a PodPoint 3 from eBay and do it properly.

Lots of words? Give over, I was taking the mick about your stupid sentence purpose, 3 separate different methods to fund a car and company car gophers aren’t driving around in etron GTs anyway.

That’s the point I made. Second was the labour is such a significant part that you may aswell increase the spend marginally for full function and proper AC earthing with regulation.

I know you like to come wading into loads of threads but the flirting doesn’t always sit well with all, don’t quote me and talk out your rectum. ***No insults please***

Jonnycoupe · 26 Feb 2023 at 23:31

Fuzz said:
Why do you think I did it myself

Cos you are a cowboy.

Fuzz · 27 Feb 2023 at 07:43

Jonnycoupe said:
Cos you are a cowboy.

The actual electrician that signed it off didn't seem to think so but whatever.

Jonnycoupe · 27 Feb 2023 at 08:12

Thats the good way to do it then, my mate did similar a couple of years back and they shared the OLEV grant once signed off.

jpaul · 27 Feb 2023 at 08:40

processing power updates/teardown on the new tesla hw4 / fsd module .https://youtu.be/3ZoP1GCNwYE?t=430
- so when they reintroduce the radar and additional cameras, should be more discriminatory for obstacles(motorcyclists ...), pity thy don't provide h/w for an efficient crypto mine option.

mercedes seem to be saturating tv advertising, pushing their one price strategy, matching tesla's, so, no deals here - except for fleets https://youtu.be/txeqOOH5Avw

McPhee · 27 Feb 2023 at 08:56

Fuzz said:
The actual electrician that signed it off didn't seem to think so but whatever.

There's no way the install meets current regs. So one of three things must be true:

1. This socket was compliant at the time of install (i.e. it was put in some years ago).
2. You didn't tell the electrician that the socket was to be used with a 32A EVSE, meaning the sign-off is basically meaningless.
3. The sparky was a bit of a cowboy.

chanjy · 27 Feb 2023 at 09:05

McPhee said:
There's no way the install meets current regs. So one of three things must be true:

2. You didn't tell the electrician that the socket was to be used with a 32A EVSE, meaning the sign-off is basically meaningless.

Not sure I understand this one.

If you use a plug for granny charging are you saying it needs a different sign off? If I plug in at my in-laws that's illegal because they haven't had it specifically approved for EV charging?

Jonnycoupe · 27 Feb 2023 at 09:17

Please don't compare a high power commando to a 3 pin with a dedicated control unit and thermal management.

dlockers · 27 Feb 2023 at 09:28

Another passage in this thread of people sharing how smart they are without actually being helpful lol.

Uther · 27 Feb 2023 at 09:28

Are there any figures for fires caused from EV charging via commando plugs?

McPhee · 27 Feb 2023 at 09:40

dLockers said:
Another passage in this thread of people sharing how smart they are without actually being helpful lol.

I think you missed the point.

Boast: "Look at how much money I saved by not paying for a rip-off charge point install!"

Reality: To make that saving, you need to do the work yourself, ignore the safety regulations, and then ensure the installation isn't assessed correctly.

If Fuzz is happy, great (as long as nothing goes wrong). But this really isn't something which should be encouraged.

dlockers · 27 Feb 2023 at 09:46

McPhee said:
I think you missed the point.

Boast: "Look at how much money I saved by not paying for a rip-off charge point install!"

Reality: To make that saving, you need to do the work yourself, ignore the safety regulations, and then ensure the installation isn't assessed correctly.

If Fuzz is happy, great (as long as nothing goes wrong). But this really isn't something which should be encouraged.

I think your (other?) point was that the government have driven up the cost of installing EV chargers. I made the point that these sparkies aren't thick and understand the economics enough to bump up the prices as our maths to justify an EV in the first place, means there should be plenty of value that they can take a share in (salary sacrifice = no deposit, tax, insurance + saving on fuel + paying out of gross not net + recouping any lost government benefits <100k or <50k).

Like how am I getting a quote for £425 for a 10 way consumer unit and then a separate labour only quote for £500 for the car charger, lol?

Tinders · 27 Feb 2023 at 09:48

Lets get some perspective here, the complexity is in the ev charger itself, the install itself isnt rocket science for a ordinary sparky, all this fluff about being a EV specialist is just another money making exercise, yes they have to cover the costs of acreditation and training, but some of the prices i was quoted a few years back were mad. EV installers were so busy they just chucked out daft quotes because they didnt need the business.

The installation itself is simple, but you need to ensure the DNO is made aware, if you are putting in a seperate CU for the install, you may need to get the DNO to install an isolating switch. You dont even need a earth rod in most installs as the EV chargers have PEN fault detection.

Its another money spinner ala solar installs.

Jonnycoupe · 27 Feb 2023 at 10:01

Uther said:
Are there any figures for fires caused from EV charging via commando plugs?

It’s more the issue with grounding and AC, the thermistor in a granny lead will cut demand demand if it gets warm BEFORE a proper event.

In terms of the commando risk, It’s very rare but without a correct ground path and an error the car will use you as the grounding path to the grid’s common ground, and that’s very bad. Which is the purpose of the regulation standards on either PEN detection or physical ground spikes in the ground fitted with the wall unit.

Not sure why dlockers doesn’t just ask rather thanmaking silly statements, proper toys out the pram mentality. I generally enjoy your posting style, are you okay?

The cable can be quite a significant cost if the “standard 10m” install is used, plus the dedicated test equipment needs some return on investment.

dlockers · 27 Feb 2023 at 10:21

Jonnycoupe said:
Not sure why dlockers doesn’t just ask rather thanmaking silly statements, proper toys out the pram mentality. I generally enjoy your posting style, are you okay?

Citation needed? I think you are just a bit sensitive in the last 24 hours? I mean all you've done is hurled some word spaghetti at me and took the mick out of jpaul (as usual).

Are you on the board for an EV installation firm or something? :cry:

You seem particularly invested in justifying an outrageous install cost for a commodity bit of gear.

Jonnycoupe · 27 Feb 2023 at 10:35

Genuinely don't know where the word soup came from, are you sure that wasnt the born2k post... I was more than clear and then just giving facts on the reasons, you will have noted I haven't said if its excessive or not, I've had one fitted though.... so i saw the time it takes to fit, the hardware fitted and the testing time and equipment so sit on the 'its not a piece of cake' fence.
But then whatss experience of seeing a quote actually turning into work actually worth when we can all post mortem the quote from a keyboard? Got no skin in the game, I used OLEV so was only £550 for a fitted and supplied Ohme. Utter bargain now really.

Impossible place these forums some days - I'll call people out if they start thinking their opinions are fact - and will continue to do so.

dlockers · 27 Feb 2023 at 10:39

Take a breath Jonny, you are going to make yourself poorly.

sandys · 27 Feb 2023 at 10:54

chanjy said:
If you use a plug for granny charging are you saying it needs a different sign off? If I plug in at my in-laws that's illegal because they haven't had it specifically approved for EV charging?

Most granny cables are limited so don't pull the full current from the line, but if it's an old house than pre-dates many of the modern regs and hasn't been rewired I'd certainly be concerned with long term high current drain, our old condenser drier used to pull ~3kw and the heat I could feel build up around the plug was a concern after only a couple of hours, I was never that happy, I certainly wouldn't want to go to sleep/or leave unattended with something like a car pulling high current for hours through decades old wiring without having it checked to ensure it's good for it but perhaps I'm too cautious.

Grand scheme of things a properly fitted EV point at £500-1k is peanuts really and so much more convenient than a house fire.

dlockers · 27 Feb 2023 at 11:00

Out of interest, does anyone know where these dodgy chargers are showing up on eBay / Facebook are coming from? Everytime I ping them about where it came from I get all sorts of diversions ("selling for a friend etc"). Examples here:

Simon · 27 Feb 2023 at 11:42

These ones aren’t smart are they so can’t be officially installed.