When are you going fully electric?

[b0rn2sk8]

One of the issues with public charging is that there isn’t really any competition in the market. For the most part, there are still only one bank of chargers within a reasonable travel distance so they effectively have a monopoly on the immediate area.

If you need to charge en-route, practically speaking, unless you are willing to travel out your way, you may have 1 or 2 sensible locations to stop. And even if you were willing to travel out of the way, you’ll probably find that charger is expensive anyway because it’s the only one in the immediate area.

Rapid charging is also something to avoid if you can. Really you just want to charge the car when it’s parked on slow AC posts, it’s far more cost effective and a very under appreciated service compared to rapid chargers.

 

[chanjy]

One of the issues with public charging is that there isn’t really any competition in the market. For the most part, there are still only one bank of chargers within a reasonable travel distance so they effectively have a monopoly on the immediate area.

If you need to charge en-route, practically speaking, unless you are willing to travel out your way, you may have 1 or 2 sensible locations to stop. And even if you were willing to travel out of the way, you’ll probably find that charger is expensive anyway because it’s the only one in the immediate area.

Rapid charging is also something to avoid if you can. Really you just want to charge the car when it’s parked on slow AC posts, it’s far more cost effective and a very under appreciated service compared to rapid chargers.

Ironically motorway charging (Gridserve, Tesla) is cheaper than Shell/BP/Instavolt/Osprey rapids off the motorway... I bet the high demand makes up for the slightly cheaper price

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Ironically motorway charging (Gridserve, Tesla) is cheaper than Shell/BP/Instavolt/Osprey rapids off the motorway... I bet the high demand makes up for the slightly cheaper price

Tesla is cheaper full stop but it’s a closed network. I know they can deploy chargers at a lower cost than other networks but even then, they can’t be making any money on it.

Gridserve have historically been cheaper across the board and we’re typically the last to raise prices. They have their own generation capacity which may help but they pretty much have a local monopoly on the sites they serve (ignoring Tesla). That interesting about Gridserve is the collaboration with Tesla which may be helping their bottom line.

 

[dlockers]

Swapped my gifted outdoor plug for a BG smart unit. Despite the current unit being BG.........and the new unit being BG.........and simply having a smart socket to replace the included dumb socket, all sorts of compatibility issues appeared. Annoying AF.

The app doesn't seem nearly as bad as expected and I've setup a schedule inline with eco7 so I don't have to mess around with the Peugeot abortion of an app.

 

[Fuzz]

Swapped my gifted outdoor plug for a BG smart unit. Despite the current unit being BG.........and the new unit being BG.........and simply having a smart socket to replace the included dumb socket, all sorts of compatibility issues appeared. Annoying AF.

See this is why you should have just stuck a normal 7KW socket on the wall for £24 quid

 

[jpaul]

Swapped my gifted outdoor plug for a BG smart unit.

so couldn't you go OVO now and have their 11p /unit charge , topped up , all times of the day, for when you say you depart.

Quite excited, first electric vehicle was going to go for the MG4 but this was not much more on my car scheme, and seems a more rounded car.

complete with android automotive goodness - nice

 

[dlockers]

so couldn't you go OVO now and have their 11p /unit charge , topped up , all times of the day, for when you say you depart.


complete with android automotive goodness - nice

Na unfortunately OVO and all the other special schemes require the 1k fitted chargers (ohme, pod point). I'd need to get a job 100 miles a day away to make that maths work!

 

[jpaul]

everyone published id7 reviews today - just the unknown price, otherwise the saloon form factor/Cd, tesla matching efficiency, adaptive suspemsion - vader seats look good too.
ID2 & ID7 the resurgence of VW

 

[chanjy]

Same old same old VAG MEB stuff, what resurgence?

 

[Spleen Sauce]

Stupid window switches, useless capacitive buttons, will be overpriced and it still doesn’t have the charging network here in the UK. No resurgence.

 

[Simon]

everyone published id7 reviews today - just the unknown price, otherwise the saloon form factor/Cd, tesla matching efficiency, adaptive suspemsion - vader seats look good too.
ID2 & ID7 the resurgence of VW

What are you actually trying to say. It’s like someone ate flour and sugar and trying to talk biscuit

 

[ICDP]

Usual dismissive comments aside, it actually looks good.

 

[jpaul]

Same old same old VAG MEB stuff, what resurgence?

tesla seems to be retiring to Biden fortress USA, vw combined electric sales topping world I'd have thought, vw remains trusted brand(despite dieselgate) with a physical dealer structure,
and, with this and ID2 I think they will consolidate their position
...... just joining the biscuit crumb trail..

with more data on the comparative ev efficiency of saloons versus SUV, I think the fickle consumer can be pursuaded to volte-face;
maybe they need help from the chancellor punitively punishing less efficient Cd's

 

[b0rn2sk8]

I think his point is not that VW may top the sales charts but that the products themselves are sub par for the money where as something like the MK7 golf was damn good value.

Lots of sales don’t equal best product in a particular segment. Just look how many Nissan Jokes are sold each year…

 

[chanjy]

I don't see how any rational observer could think this new vehicle is going to move the needle. It's not a new platform, it's not a product in a mass market segment (how many Passat saloon sales were there last year?), there's no big technological improvement.... I could go on lol

 

[ICDP]

Why does it need to be judged on if it "moved the needle", whatever the hell that means? Can't it just be another decent saloon style EV that gives people options?

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Because the response was to the claim was it was a resurgence for VW.

VW never went away in reality, just their quality fell off a cliff lately.

 

[chanjy]

Yeah exactly lol, just responding to some nonsense jp hyperbole.

It is probably a perfectly ok car

 

[Nasher]

Whilst the pricing on public chargers is high it is still generally the price of the EV that ruins the comparisons even when charging at home as fueling up is only one part of the cost equation.

Whenever I've done costings for my car ownership an ICE still comes out on top but then I am not taking advantage of EV schemes as I don't have access to them and I don't do Mega mileage so even at 7.5p/unit you don't really make that back in a time frame worth talking about unless all you car about is the monthly amount over what things actually cost you.

I just have to buy one because I want it and leave the money side of things out of the equation.

And then you see this incoming: https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/pub...-off-buying-evs-due-to-crashing-prices/281203

Dealers refusing to buy EVs because they can't shift them. The prices are crashing to reflect the true values, not a good time to buy in atm.

 

[Fuzz]

Waaahh ev's are too expensive
Waaahh ev's prices are crashing.