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When the Gpu's prices will go down ?

GhostDog1981 said:
That’s amazing. That’s the only card worth buying this gen for both manufacturers. Nvidia crippled the Vram BUS on lower tiers so effectively a 4070ti downwards would choke on 4K resolution much sooner than for example a 3080/3090.
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I'd argue the 4070 Ti is the only card worth buying from this gen (if any), it has a far superior cost per frame than the 4080 and 4090 and is the only card to (slightly) improve performance per dollar over last gen. It doesn't choke at 4K, it's more that ampere scaled quite badly at lower resolutions, but the 4070 Ti is still 20.8% faster than a 3080 at 4K. The 7900 XTX would've been a contender if it wasn't for the awful idle power consumption.
 
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BigBANGtheory said:
that sounds like gross profit you're describing not margin
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Nvidia don't release details of individual products cost vs sales price (product margins). When people say a company's margin they are usually referring to it's ratio of profit to revenue, depending on whether they use net or gross in that calculation it could be either.
 
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Murphy said:
They can't really. As I've said before when they start running out of cash they'll be forced to liquidate stock just to pay the bills, in the last year their cash reserves have been falling while the value of stock sitting on shelves has been going up.

Yes they're holding onto stock but they can only sustain that for so long before, once they don't have enough cash to the bills they'll have no choice but to start turning that $5bn worth of stock into cash.
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They should be trying to liquidate their stock before the recession hits to try and convert at the best rate really…
 
Eddie99 said:
I'd argue the 4070 Ti is the only card worth buying from this gen (if any), it has a far superior cost per frame than the 4080 and 4090 and is the only card to (slightly) improve performance per dollar over last gen. It doesn't choke at 4K, it's more that ampere scaled quite badly at lower resolutions, but the 4070 Ti is still 20.8% faster than a 3080 at 4K. The 7900 XTX would've been a contender if it wasn't for the awful idle power consumption.
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The 4070ti is just 17.6% faster than a 3080 at 4k when you look at the average across all reviews and remember the 3080s numbers would have been taken from the FE, the 4070ti has no FE and AIBs generally send out the more expensive OC models for review so in reality you're probably looking at just +15%, so for $100 more you're getting just a 15% uplift. Now contrast this with the 4090 which is giving you +71% over a 3090 for $100 more.

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Joxeon said:
The 4070ti is just 17.6% faster than a 3080 at 4k when you look at the average across all reviews and remember the 3080s numbers would have been taken from the FE, the 4070ti has no FE and AIBs generally send out the more expensive OC models for review so in reality you're probably looking at just +15%, so for $100 more you're getting just a 15% uplift. Now contrast this with the 4090 which is giving you +71% over a 3090 for $100 more.

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It would annoy me had I held onto my 3090FE from 2021 (bought for £1399 AND sold for £1800) if I had to lose £700 on its value to repurchase a flagship for £1599 (4090) only to lose 50% value by Sept 2024 (ie next year). I’ve decided for me mid range gpus are the way to go- bought a 3060ti FE for £369 and plan on replacing it next Sept with a 5070 or whatever AMD have to offer mid range. I figured over 10 years if I upgrade midrange (taking the 3060ti price as upgrade cost) 3X it would cost £1200 whereas if I purchase a 4080 I would be stuck at that perf level for 5/6 years so would end up paying more to upgrade over the same period.
 
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Joxeon said:
The 4070ti is just 17.6% faster than a 3080 at 4k when you look at the average across all reviews and remember the 3080s numbers would have been taken from the FE, the 4070ti has no FE and AIBs generally send out the more expensive OC models for review so in reality you're probably looking at just +15%, so for $100 more you're getting just a 15% uplift. Now contrast this with the 4090 which is giving you +71% over a 3090 for $100 more.
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Am i looking at that chart wrong? Isn't the performance difference between the 3080 and 4070Ti more like 15% with a 12.5% increase in price.

IMO the fairer comparison would be between the 3070Ti and 4070Ti, that's a 30% increase in performance for a 33.3% increase in price...that's a regression in price/performance.

e: That is unless I've just embarrassed myself again with my terrible maths skills. :)
 
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Murphy said:
Am i looking at that chart wrong? Isn't the performance difference between the 3080 and 4070Ti more like 15% with a 12.5% increase in price.

IMO the fairer comparison would be between the 3070Ti and 4070Ti, that's a 30% increase in performance for a 33.3% increase in price...that's a regression in price/performance.

e: That is unless I've just embarrassed myself again with my terrible maths skills. :)
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The 3080 is 14.9 slower than a 4070ti but the 4070ti is 17.6 faster though as I said reviewers received AIB OC models which were at best $50 above the msrp so would have added a couple of % to the performance.

In terms of the 3070ti, that was 30.5 slower so the 4070ti works out at 43.9% faster but then the 3070ti was never really considered good value in the first place compared to a standard 3070. The 4070ti is 56% faster than a 3070 while costing 60% more money.
 
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GhostDog1981 said:
It would annoy me had I held onto my 3090FE from 2021 (bought for £1399 AND sold for £1800) if I had to lose £700 on its value to repurchase a flagship for £1599 (4090) only to lose 50% value by Sept 2024 (ie next year). I’ve decided for me mid range gpus are the way to go- bought a 3060ti FE for £369 and plan on replacing it next Sept with a 5070 or whatever AMD have to offer mid range. I figured over 10 years if I upgrade midrange (taking the 3060ti price as upgrade cost) 3X it would cost £1200 whereas if I purchase a 4080 I would be stuck at that perf level for 5/6 years so would end up paying more to upgrade over the same period.
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Pretty much what I worked out was the best way forward. Unless you have money to burn or need very high frame rates at 4K it makes sense. The same goes for most components really. The bonus is you get some new shiny more often ;)
 
Troezar said:
Pretty much what I worked out was the best way forward. Unless you have money to burn or need very high frame rates at 4K it makes sense. The same goes for most components really. The bonus is you get some new shiny more often ;)
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It's becoming same as phones. Spend $250 every 2-3 years and you'll likely have a better experience over time than a $1000 phone.
 
Joxeon said:
The 4070ti is just 17.6% faster than a 3080 at 4k when you look at the average across all reviews and remember the 3080s numbers would have been taken from the FE, the 4070ti has no FE and AIBs generally send out the more expensive OC models for review so in reality you're probably looking at just +15%, so for $100 more you're getting just a 15% uplift. Now contrast this with the 4090 which is giving you +71% over a 3090 for $100 more.

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The 3090 was never good value, so 71% better for $100 more doesn't make the 4090 good value. In terms of performance per dollar progression, the 3080 is the most relevant high end card for comparison. I only checked one review which had it at 20.8%, but even at 17.6% the 4070 Ti still better performance per dollar at 4K with an extra 2GB VRAM, better power efficiency and AV1 encoding.
 
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