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When the Gpu's prices will go down ?

Raelgun said:
That doesn't sound like a solution other then creating a problem and offering a nonsense solution for more money.
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Like not offering enough VRAM on graphics cards? There is zero reason for AMD to have split B650 into B650 and B650E, when it uses the same chipset other than to make more money. If Intel can offer motherboards for less than £200 with PCI-E 5.0 it shows cost is not the reason.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Like not offering enough VRAM on graphics cards? There is zero reason for AMD to have split B650 into B650 and B650E, when it uses the same chipset other than to make more money. If Intel can offer motherboards for less than £200 with PCI-E 5.0 it shows cost is not the reason.
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To use the B650e name they have to supply PCIE 5 for both the GFX slot and 1 NVMe slot. The entry level b650 boards meanwhile seem to mostly offer only DD5 memory whilst retaining PCIE4 for both gfx and NVME. ie not very next gen at all whilst still charging £160+.

Mobo pricing has been as bad if not actually worse this gen than the graphics cards imo. At least with the B650e name, you can fast sort/filter out all the PCIE4 stuff if you want.
 
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MCFC_ANDY said:
to me slashing equates to more than 6% :cry:
videocardz.com

European retailers slash prices of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060, now 6% cheaper in less than a week - VideoCardz.com

Delaying the inevitable, RTX 4060 price drops by 6% NVIDIA RTX 4060 on a path to reach €299 soon. The newly released RTX 4060 non-Ti graphics card has failed to make a strong impression among gamers, confirming earlier predictions. The situation is particularly evident in Europe, where gamers...
videocardz.com videocardz.com
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Same here. I find these headlines annoying. I am not sure whether these idiot YouTubers are stupid or just plain out of touch. I'm not about to get excited about a 6% reduction.
Wake me up when the 4080 has fallen 30%. Even then, I would hardly get excited about them costing what they should have costed when they were launched.
 
SpellowHouse said:
Same here. I find these headlines annoying. I am not sure whether these idiot YouTubers are stupid or just plain out of touch. I'm not about to get excited about a 6% reduction.
Wake me up when the 4080 has fallen 30%. Even then, I would hardly get excited about them costing what they should have costed when they were launched.
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Probably the same people think there is demand that out strips supply still, even with the AI demand, it's not killing supply or ability to manufacture supply.
 
MCFC_ANDY said:
to me slashing equates to more than 6% :cry:
videocardz.com

European retailers slash prices of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060, now 6% cheaper in less than a week - VideoCardz.com

Delaying the inevitable, RTX 4060 price drops by 6% NVIDIA RTX 4060 on a path to reach €299 soon. The newly released RTX 4060 non-Ti graphics card has failed to make a strong impression among gamers, confirming earlier predictions. The situation is particularly evident in Europe, where gamers...
videocardz.com videocardz.com
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SpellowHouse said:
Same here. I find these headlines annoying. I am not sure whether these idiot YouTubers are stupid or just plain out of touch. I'm not about to get excited about a 6% reduction.
Wake me up when the 4080 has fallen 30%. Even then, I would hardly get excited about them costing what they should have costed when they were launched.
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I think we have to also consider whether many review channels are getting less views now. The price of dGPUs,new generation CPUs and motherboards,etc is too high and we are seeing less sales and probably less interest. This is compounded by the higher interest rates,inflation and increasing cost of living in many countries in our part of the world.

Hence they have less ad revenue,less Patreon support,etc so need to get enough views. Hence they need to make more exciting titles to get those clicks.
 
MCFC_ANDY said:
to me slashing equates to more than 6% :cry:
videocardz.com

European retailers slash prices of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060, now 6% cheaper in less than a week - VideoCardz.com

Delaying the inevitable, RTX 4060 price drops by 6% NVIDIA RTX 4060 on a path to reach €299 soon. The newly released RTX 4060 non-Ti graphics card has failed to make a strong impression among gamers, confirming earlier predictions. The situation is particularly evident in Europe, where gamers...
videocardz.com videocardz.com
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Well, words gets misused.
Decimate was to loose a tenth (of a legion in battle etc.) but now it seems to be more like keep a tenth, so closer to annihilate.

6% of ~£300 is better than nothing, but can't see that moving many units.

We though RT 7600 XT was bad but at least it didn't regress. RTX 4060 vs RTX 3060 not only is about the same tiny uplift as RT 7600 XT vs RT 6600 XT but since it reduces the VRAM from 12GB to 8GB there is often regression. A pity as the 12GB of the RTX 3060 made it a far more interesting device than its performance.

THG do this hierarchy article with tables and charts
www.tomshardware.com

The GPU benchmarks hierarchy 2024: Ten years of graphics card hardware tested and ranked

We've run hundreds of GPU benchmarks on Nvidia, AMD, and Intel graphics cards and ranked them in our comprehensive hierarchy, with over 80 GPUs tested.
www.tomshardware.com www.tomshardware.com
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and while not perfect it is interesting.

I took that table and tried to classifies the models into classes (50/60/70/80/90) and then plot them via release years (I also got the Passmark GPU tables which have the release years and luckily both did use the same full names for the cards making lookups easier).

Ended up with something like this (only took the Nvidia cards for this as adding Radeon into that mix would have made it far harder):

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No big surprise, but '60 and '70 have largely stagnated. The '90 class is a bit hard to quantify, so I did place some Titans in there too.
Not really enough data in that with some outliners (the 3090 vs 4090 in the THG scores is only about +18% which seems low.

So I took the GPU Passmark figures too (I know about as reliable as 3D Mark...), and got this:

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Neither of these takes into account price. Would have to think about how I could present that in there (Passmark to do have list price figures).

However, even without price it is clear that that Halo part (this is why did only Nvidia) has a pretty constant trendline.

Lower classes of cards do not.

So, no wonder everything targets consoles. It takes a big budget to beat a console these days: a clearly beating GPU from Nvidia is close to twice the price of console for the GPU alone!

EDIT: would be interesting to get a chart like this going back farther, but recently the only time Nvidia give any decent uplift was when the consoles launched!
 
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KompuKare said:
It takes a big budget to beat a console these days: a clearly beating GPU from Nvidia is close to twice the price of console for the GPU alone!
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Does it? A 3070 is more powerful on paper than either of the latest consoles.

A 4080/90 is way more powerful than a console spec.

I think the demands of pc games are higher though, to make use of that power either because they are poorly optimised or because they can genuinely push things because the power is there.
 
danlightbulb said:
Does it? A 3070 is more powerful on paper than either of the latest consoles.

A 4080/90 is way more powerful than a console spec.

I think the demands of pc games are higher though, to make use of that power either because they are poorly optimised or because they can genuinely push things because the power is there.
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Not really , consoles get more polish so it's a bit better then a 3070.

But he's saying cost, you can't beat a console at the same price or even similar.

The biggest issue with games on PC, they don't actually look much better then console versions not to mention consoles still have their exclusive titles even timed.
 
Raelgun said:
But he's saying cost, you can't beat a console at the same price or even similar.
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Agreed you can't, (but he did say double).

However internet browsing on a console is tedious. You can't video edit or organise your photos, or dabble with some house measurements in a free drawing tool, or manage your monthly budget spreadsheet on a ps5.

Console fine for a couple hours playing FIFA. If you want more than that you need a pc.
 
danlightbulb said:
Does it? A 3070 is more powerful on paper than either of the latest consoles.

A 4080/90 is way more powerful than a console spec.

I think the demands of pc games are higher though, to make use of that power either because they are poorly optimised or because they can genuinely push things because the power is there.
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On paper.

I said close to double and was thinking of a 4070 Ti. Below that, you might be technically beating the console, but I would say you'd really want 4070 Ti / 7900 XT / 3090 / 6900 XT to noticeably be beating a console.

Poorly optimised has been a thing for years, but win a development cycle very very much console-first, then things like streaming assets from SSD and other tricks become the norm. A PC either has to have all that (DirectStorage still mostly MIA), or has to brute force its way. Hence, a GPU has to decisively beat the console GPU to be noticeably better. That costs a lot.

Yes, nodes have got more expensive.
Yes, entry to the GPU market has huge barriers.
Yes, both AMD and (now) Nvidia have other things they could with wafers.

But stagnant performance/cost is why we are nearly 3 years into console cycle and PCs are not caught up in terms of price/perf. Some of that has always been the case each new generation but only in the first year or so. Usually, newer GPUs would either be vastly faster or vastly cheaper for a performance point which could noticeably beat the consoles. This gen? Not so much. Halo 4090 gave nice uplift at the halo price but below that it has mostly been stagnation (the 8GB 4060 even brings regression!).
 
Joxeon said:
Well OCUK have today doubled their 4060 sales since launch day, they are now at 6 sold.
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Jokes apart, remember this is a disaster for them too. What is normally an active "enthusiasts" market has been destroyed in one go by NVIDIA and Mini-Me-AMD.

I had every intent of buying a 4080 when they came out, but have now completely abandoned any plans to upgrade my PC. That's all down to NVIDIA. I'm sure I am not alone in this.
 
SpellowHouse said:
Jokes apart, remember this is a disaster for them too. What is normally an active "enthusiasts" market has been destroyed in one go by NVIDIA and Mini-Me-AMD.

I had every intent of buying a 4080 when they came out, but have now completely abandoned any plans to upgrade my PC. That's all down to NVIDIA. I'm sure I am not alone in this.
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Basically one can pretend this generation never happened and shop for the previous one, of course that works only if you don't want 4K AND RT...
 
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