When the Gpu's prices will go down ?

gpuerrilla · 6 Apr 2022 at 13:00

ChocAndGray said:
I think the next gen of AMD cards will be very interesting.

They've made massive improvements across all their hardware and their next cards could be their zen 3 of GPU's.

I would have gone with them this gen tbh except they made a hash of the UK market availability for the 6800/XT then after the initial drops the prices commanded by retailers was way out of touch for both brands. If it wasn't for the FE edition with nvidia it would have been a dire situation. I mean the AIB cards have only just returned near MSRP and we are only six months from a new gen release.

ChocAndGray · 6 Apr 2022 at 13:03

gpuerrilla said:
I would have gone with them this gen tbh except they made a hash of the UK market availability for the 6800/XT then after the initial drops the prices commanded by retailers was way out of touch for both brands. If it wasn't for the FE edition with nvidia it would have been a dire situation. I mean the AIB cards have only just returned near MSRP and we are only six months from a new gen release.

If I had had a freesync capable display I'd have bought the amd cards before the price rise. AT the time I bought my 3090 the 6900XT was a grand cheaper.

But having variable refresh rate is such a big thing for me.

I've been tempted to change my tv to a newer model to have the choice of freesync and gsync but I've got such good uniformity that I'd be worried about having a screen with banding everywhere.

edit: ah one other thing that could play a part is mining, I had never mined before and it wasn't the motivation behind the purchase but since installing nicehash I do use the card for mining. I've only made a few hundred pounds but it's a few hundred I wouldn't have made. I leave it running when browsing the web, and overnight.

If and it's a big if, mining boomed and Nvidia was the way forward and I could make £15 a day I'd probably go Nvidia again.

gpuerrilla · 6 Apr 2022 at 13:17

ChocAndGray said:
edit: ah one other thing that could play a part is mining, I had never mined before and it wasn't the motivation behind the purchase but since installing nicehash I do use the card for mining. I've only made a few hundred pounds but it's a few hundred I wouldn't have made. I leave it running when browsing the web, and overnight.

put it this way my 3090 was all paid for some time ago. Only a few rage posters try the 10% for double the price as they also cant comprehend mining.

tommybhoy · 6 Apr 2022 at 13:40

gpuerrilla said:
put it this way my 3090 was all paid for some time ago. Only a few rage posters try the 10% for double the price as they also cant comprehend

Tbh, you could have just stopped there...

ChocAndGray · 6 Apr 2022 at 13:40

gpuerrilla said:
put it this way my 3090 was all paid for some time ago. Only a few rage posters try the 10% for double the price as they also cant comprehend mining.

I wish I had started sooner. I’m far too late to the party.

Out of interest is there a reason why amd cards aren’t as good for mining? Is it proprietary tech Nvidia have in their cards, or could that be something amd cards improve?

JediFragger · 6 Apr 2022 at 14:29

subbytna said:
Lots are so blinded by Nvidias DLSS and Raytracing marketing, that they just don't consider AMD GPUs as being "worthy enough" when in fact they are brilliant GPUs.

Yup, sold a 3080Ti I had to keep my 6900XT Toxic

Aegis · 6 Apr 2022 at 14:37

ChocAndGray said:
Out of interest is there a reason why amd cards aren’t as good for mining? Is it proprietary tech Nvidia have in their cards, or could that be something amd cards improve?

Nothing proprietary about it - just that this generation, nvidia's memory architecture was better suited to mining than AMD's - check out AMD's Radeon VII hash rate for example (93.00 Mh/s) - the card's a beast!

https://whattomine.com/gpus

ChocAndGray · 6 Apr 2022 at 14:57

Aegis said:
Nothing proprietary about it - just that this generation, nvidia's memory architecture was better suited to mining than AMD's - check out AMD's Radeon VII hash rate for example (93.00 Mh/s) - the card's a beast!

https://whattomine.com/gpus

Wow that is very good. Only 20Mh/s from what I'm getting.

Ah so there could be a possibility the next AMD cards are better.

gpuerrilla · 6 Apr 2022 at 15:02

ChocAndGray said:
I wish I had started sooner. I’m far too late to the party.

Out of interest is there a reason why amd cards aren’t as good for mining? Is it proprietary tech Nvidia have in their cards, or could that be something amd cards improve?

Up until RDNA1 AMD were better (VII, 5700, Vega) or BIOS mod friendly to tweak very good efficiency for hash rate.

As per form, AMD got slated as they were a compute friendly design so the green gamers laughed about not being fully gaming orientated. Now it has flipped, nvidia have compute/tensor cores due to their AI focus and datacentre whereas RDNA2 ditched compute in favour of gaming which is why their Hashrate didn't improve from the above sentence cards. RDNA2 however is very efficient so can also be dialled in for mining if you look at the 6600 it is pretty much king with only the A2000 trumping it.

ChocAndGray · 6 Apr 2022 at 15:07

gpuerrilla said:
Up until RDNA1 AMD were better (VII, 5700, Vega) or BIOS mod friendly to tweak very good efficiency for hash rate.

As per form, AMD got slated as they were a compute friendly design so the green gamers laughed about not being fully gaming orientated. Now it has flipped, nvidia have compute/tensor cores due to their AI focus and datacentre whereas RDNA2 ditched compute in favour of gaming which is why their Hashrate didn't improve from the above sentence cards. RDNA2 however is very efficient so can also be dialled in for mining if you look at the 6600 it is pretty much king with only the A2000 trumping it.

Very interesting.

I had no real idea what happened as I took a break from PC gaming for a few years. My last setup was an 8700k and 1080Ti after that point I didn't even follow PC hardware really until returning with a 5950x and 3090.

The OCD in me would love everything AMD, I know it doesn't really matter but it doesn't feel right having a non-intel cpu with Nvidia (weird I know lol) My concern is the next AMD cpu's though as I've not been overly impressed with the 5950x, lot's of bugs and performance issues.

Having never owned an AMD gpu I always hear stories about bad drivers etc, but I'm assuming there is an element of over exaggerated stories from "fanboys".

On topic sort of, I have been keeping an eye on prices of 6900Xt's and while they've come down a couple of hundred pounds they're still not what they were at launch.

I'm curious to see what price the 6950Xt will be.

gpuerrilla · 6 Apr 2022 at 15:07

tommybhoy said:
Tbh, you could have just stopped there...

Well you know the resident joker who like a broken record tries to drop in a dig about overpaying, justifying purchase yadda yadda and maybe couple others - fingers in ears about it, mining paid for it and before the electric price rises nullify it I will also be able to afford the next card for 'free' - if only they spent less time hating and invested that time into mining! :cry:

gpuerrilla · 6 Apr 2022 at 15:10

ChocAndGray said:
Very interesting.

I had no real idea what happened as I took a break from PC gaming for a few years. My last setup was an 8700k and 1080Ti after that point I didn't even follow PC hardware really until returning with a 5950x and 3090.

The OCD in me would love everything AMD, I know it doesn't really matter. My concern is the next AMD cpu's though as I've not been overly impressed with the 5950x, lot's of bugs and performance issues.

Having never owned an AMD gpu I always hear stories about bad drivers etc, but I'm assuming there is an element of over exaggerated stories from "fanboys".

On topic sort of, I have been keeping an eye on prices of 6900Xt's and while they've come down a couple of hundred pounds they're still not what they were at launch.

I'm curious to see what price the 6950Xt will be.

1080Ti was a beast of a card, probably best purchase performance this decade.

Correct about fanboy comment, I had 290X and vega56 and never had driver issues others milk. If you can wait past the 6950XT the latest is the 7700XT will be better performance than 6900XT and have 3x ray tracing improvement. That's 6900XT performance for ~ £700. :cool:

ChocAndGray · 6 Apr 2022 at 15:13

gpuerrilla said:
1080Ti was a beast of a card, probably best purchase performance this decade.

Correct about fanboy comment, I had 290X and vega56 and never had driver issues others milk. If you can wait past the 6950XT the latest is the 7700XT will be better performance than 6900XT and have 3x ray tracing improvement. That's 6900XT performance for ~ £700.

Yeah 1080Ti was the 2500k of gpu's. It was only a palit jetstream but I was impressed after always having had EVGA cards. I wish pricing would come back to those levels.

I don't think flagship card's will ever be below 4 figures now.

Despite the price, I can't wait for the new cards, it annoys me that I struggle to get a solid 60fps at 4k on something like Tina's Wonderlands.

Tetras · 6 Apr 2022 at 15:17

You still have to spend £400+ to get the performance of a card released 5 years ago, at least Intel didn't make their stagnation era cpus twice the price

gpuerrilla · 6 Apr 2022 at 17:11

Very true. I would wait and see how the 7800 and the 4080 fare should they be available around September.

Also with the financial tensions from the inflation kicking in, energy price rises in the UK, the weak miners will be offloading cards, scalpers will have no margin to make so there should be a load liquidating the market approaching October if it has not already stampeded before then.

Adam Tench · 6 Apr 2022 at 20:27

Hey guys. Just a quick one. I have an option to purchase a Red Devil 6900xt for £900. Is that a good deal do you think? It's brand new and sealed

ChocAndGray · 6 Apr 2022 at 20:27

Adam Tench said:
Hey guys. Just a quick one. I have an option to purchase a Red Devil 6900xt for £900. Is that a good deal do you think? It's brand new and sealed

Is it the ultimate?

Adam Tench · 6 Apr 2022 at 20:28

ChocAndGray said:
Is it the ultimate?

It's not no.....

ChocAndGray · 6 Apr 2022 at 20:31

Adam Tench said:
It's not no.....

Well it's still a good saving as the normal red devil is around 12-1300.

If you were going to buy one anyway then it's worth a punt if it's still sealed (with proof of purchase).

What is your current card? Is it good enough to wait for new cards?

Although if you pay £900 you could probably sell that on in the future and not make much of a loss.

Even if you got say £600 in 9 months it's not a massive loss to make (well I could tolerate it but appreciate not everyone would)

Adam Tench · 6 Apr 2022 at 20:35

ChocAndGray said:
Well it's still a good saving as the normal red devil is around 12-1300.

If you were going to buy one anyway then it's worth a punt if it's still sealed (with proof of purchase).

What is your current card? Is it good enough to wait for new cards?

Although if you pay £900 you could probably sell that on in the future and not make much of a loss.

Even if you got say £600 in 9 months it's not a massive loss to make (well I could tolerate it but appreciate not everyone would)

My current card is a 2060 super, good enough to wait but I know once the new generation cards arrive they will be out of stock and sky high in price.

Go for it you think?