Depends on how you define "superior" to be honest.
when was the class system removed?
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Depends on how you define "superior" to be honest.
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This is fact, how can you even dare to question scientific fact?
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I'd also add, it very definitely still exists. I'm in the middle of a perpetual class war at work between various other senior managers and directors, there are very definite factions between the well spoken, public school types and the 'self made' types. Not because either group is lazy or undeserving (not at all, all are fairly competent), just differences of opinion. There are good engineers who will never progress into management because they work under the public school types who don't see them as 'management material', in somebody else's team they'd have gone much further by now.
Class still plays a role at the end of the day, it's just not necessarily so much about money and more about background...
Class still plays a role at the end of the day, it's just not necessarily so much about money and more about background...
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I saw program where they showed that the rivets were made from a lower quality steel than they should have been. The collison caused the rivets to sheer and whole sections were opened that would not have been the case if the proper material had been used. Robot-sub pictures showed the damage.
The ship was designed to withstand a number of compartments being flooded but the poor quality rivets caused more than that to be breached.
Is everyone equally valuable in every situation?
Is everyone equally valuable in a majority set of situations?
Equal rights and equal protection are not the same as 'everyone is equal'.
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Obviously not. Again, equality doesn't mean exactly the same.
If you think that just because you could take up less space on a life raft than anybody else you're better than anybody else you're completely mistaken.
This is the trouble with going on a forum of conservatives...
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Indeed, and if the radio operator had worked for the shipping company rather than marconi, more of the relevant iceberg warnings received in the proceeding hours would actually have been passed to the bridge.
If the sea hadn't been unusually calm the iceberg would have been easier to spot by way of the waves breaking over it.
If the watch officer hadn't (allegedly) ordered the engines reversed which compromised the ships turning ability they might have managed to miss it.
If they'd rammed it head on they'd likely have survived (there's irony) as they'd only have flooded a couple of compartments in the bow (completely annihilated them yes but still only a couple...).
But if pigs could fly...the ship wasn't ever designed to be in a collision of that sort, that's not really anybodies fault.
I think you've missed the point...
No-one is saying that equality = exactly the same.
They are saying that people are not equal because their choices and the way they live their lives, as well as natural abilities and the choices of their parents, make them unequal.
This is personal responsibility and the natural order that cannot be altered by the state without a forced race to the bottom that benefits no-one.
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This is where you're mistaken.
And if you think just because you breath you're as valuable as other people you're wrong.
It's always funny when (since your calling us all conservatives) "liberals" think that anyone who says people are not all equal are saying that they're better than others.
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Valuable? You can't put a value on life. We're talking about equality, in terms or rights and treatment.
I have never said anything to lead you to that. We aren't better, we just understand. It's just harder, on the whole, to make people who would vote for a right wing party understand.
Convince me that I am wrong them, if I'm misinterpreting things, I'm more than happy to be corrected through a well presented, evidenced argument.
Yes you can, it's done everyday.
No we're not.
Basic human rights is one thing.
the
is completely different.
Yes you have
Where ever did we say we are better?
You are however less valuable than a lot of people and more valuable than a small number of people.
No you don't.
And vise versa.
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I shouldn't have to. There's no reason that living a different life or being a different person should mean that you're treated differently to the next, unless you infringe on the rights of others of course. You convince me that they should. Convince me that racism, discrimination and bullying are right.
ok.
One guy early 20's no health conditions, average intelligence, A levels in mixed subjects, fit and strong.
second man, paralysed from the waist down very intelligent, science based A levels, masters and phd in mathematics, good upper body motor function.
Neither have mental health or personality problems.
Job position Fire-fighter.
Are both candidates equal and should be treated the same?
or should one be denied the opportunity to take a place in the trials so that it can go to someone else?
Second example: Mathematics college professor.
Again are both candidates equal?
We aren't talking about any of those things, but allocation of limited resources and discrimination based on ability or ability value.
Try again.
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It shouldn't but it does.