when was the class system removed?

I was just contesting the point he made about the situation improving under Labour. They obviously haven't improved the situation.

And you have statistics to back this up?? Ok, yes, i did a quick google as i don't keep this kind of data on hand obviously but here is a 2008 article, and it says that the gap is narrowing.

And before you say this article is depressing or degrades Labour, it does state that overall since 2000 things have improved in a financial sense.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/oct/22/equality-wealth-uk-social-mobility
 
(watching titanic) women and children first then the richest!
this was less than 100 years ago. what (thankfully) wiped it out?

Erm, the class system is far from dead. Perhaps more subtle, but very much still alive.

I just wrote two papers on it.. class manifested in education, and in health care.
 
And you have statistics to back this up?? Ok, yes, i did a quick google as i don't keep this kind of data on hand obviously but here is a 2008 article, and it says that the gap is narrowing.

And before you say this article is depressing or degrades Labour, it does state that overall since 2000 things have improved in a financial sense.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/oct/22/equality-wealth-uk-social-mobility


From the same website, seven months later.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/may/08/poverty-equality-britain-incomes-poor
 
And you have statistics to back this up?? Ok, yes, i did a quick google as i don't keep this kind of data on hand obviously but here is a 2008 article, and it says that the gap is narrowing.

And before you say this article is depressing or degrades Labour, it does state that overall since 2000 things have improved in a financial sense.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/oct/22/equality-wealth-uk-social-mobility

Newer, by the same lefty paper and says that the gap is the widest ever.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/may/08/poverty-equality-britain-incomes-poor
 
Can someone explain why the class system will always exist!? Surely, if someone is the best man for the job they get it?? (apart from darkie/lesbo/shirtlifters/derka derka quotas)
 
Can someone explain why the class system will always exist!? Surely, if someone is the best man for the job they get it?? (apart from darkie/lesbo/shirtlifters/derka derka quotas)

Because generally speaking if two people go for a job interview a solicitor, one person being middle class with a degree the other being working class without, who will get the job?
 
When people started the whole "everyone is equal" crap. End of WW2 onwards pretty much. A slow death for the class system.

The thing is that between WW1 and WW2 there was the very real posibity of the working class putting the upper classes up against a wall and be done with the class system for good. WW2 realy put the fear into the upper classes and as such they excepted that "everyone is equal", which of course they are not and never will be. The class system was always about what you had, who had you and who you knew and its was never about being more than equal.
 
And you have statistics to back this up?? Ok, yes, i did a quick google as i don't keep this kind of data on hand obviously but here is a 2008 article, and it says that the gap is narrowing.

And before you say this article is depressing or degrades Labour, it does state that overall since 2000 things have improved in a financial sense.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/oct/22/equality-wealth-uk-social-mobility

Are you a member of the Labout party? You seem to want their babies in most of your posts...:confused:

Can someone explain why the class system will always exist!? Surely, if someone is the best man for the job they get it?? (apart from darkie/lesbo/shirtlifters/derka derka quotas)

Because there is always money in it, and class can be brought about by your job. You can decrease the class gap and make it easier to slide between them but you can never make it go away.

Personally I think the decline probably started at the start of the industrial revolution. The Aristocracy lost its grip on the power and money as the new mill owners became richer and more powerful, forming a middle class who serviced them. The first and second world wars were then the major contributor to what we have today, with the almost complete abolution of the class system in the army. You couldn't just buy rank any more and people fought side by side. The suffraget movement in the 1910s and eventual allowance of women the vote in 1918 also contributed.
 
Erm, the class system is far from dead. Perhaps more subtle, but very much still alive.

I just wrote two papers on it.. class manifested in education, and in health care.

i agree there is still a class system but it's hardly on the same scale as the titanic scenario
 
i agree there is still a class system but it's hardly on the same scale as the titanic scenario

Well, according to a government survey done this year people from poorer backgrounds on average die ~14 years (from memory, its around there, cba to go dig through it again) earlier than those who are better off.. Thats sort of similar? :D

And Tefal, are you saying some people are innately superior to others? Wow.
 
Because now labourers,builders ,train drivers e.t.c. get paid more than a lot of educated professionals.
 
Nothing wiped it out. The UK's class system is alive and kicking. You're still ruled by a monarch whose only qualification for the job is that she was born into the right family. You're still ruled by hereditary Lords whose only qualification for the job is that they were born into the right family. You still have aristocrats and landed gentry. In short, you still have a system in which privilege and power is derived from birthright. It's like the Indian caste system, but without the brutality.

As someone has already said, Britain's class system is not based upon wealth and never has been. An Earl can be poor as a church mouse, but he's still an Earl. A footballer can be a millionarie but he's still not an aristocrat. A working class man can gain the trappings of middle class society or marry into the aristocracy, but he's still a working class man. It has nothing to do with how much money and assets you have. It's all about the social group you're born into.


Errm, you can buy titles easily like Earl and it doesn't mean crap, and a real "earl" with a lot of money will have more power and influence than one without. A footballer with 50mil is more influencial and has more power than your average Lord/Earl in the uk. The class system is entirely monetarily based, exceptions don't change the rule. Short term change IE a long line of rich families that established the name and power and then struck hard times and became poor will have more power than any other poor family, but they established the name and power during times of having money, not without it.
 
i agree there is still a class system but it's hardly on the same scale as the titanic scenario

Well arguably it wasn't because they were of a different class directly on the titantic. Nobody went around saying 'rich people first', the differences in death rates had a lot to do with their cabins being on lower decks, it took them longer to get to the lifeboats (indeed, many had no idea how to get to the lifeboats as they'd never had cause be anywhere near them before).

I'm not sure you wouldn't see at least some of the same trends in survival rates if a liner sunk in the same circumstances today. Those on lower decks are less likely to survive on any sinking ship, regardless of anything else, it just so happens that lower cost cabin were lower in the ship (and still are which has nothing to do with survival chances).
 
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