When will the censorship of anything criticising immigration stop?

[Patient Keeper]

What christian culture? Easter? I'm sure we can come up with some other reasons to eat a lot of chocolate.

Well Christmas and Easter I suppose are two things that are definitely now ingrained into our culture because of religion, despite most people not being religious now, so a good example of how religion has shaped culture in the UK.

Although, your tone in this post also suggests that you think that isn't culture either and is meaningless, which is a shame really. After all, as I believe JFK quoted once: "There is no point in the survival of a nation if its traditions do not survive with it".

 

[Abraham]

I'll be long gone before that ever happens.

To me it feels like the UK is immigrant central at the moment, with it getting worse and worse each year.

Cant wait to get out.

Sorry to see you go, don't let the door catch you on the way out.

 

[Abraham]

Well Christmas and Easter I suppose are two things that are definitely now ingrained into our culture because of religion, despite most people not being religious now, so a good example of how religion has shaped culture in the UK.

Although, your tone in this post also suggests that you think that isn't culture either and is meaningless, which is a shame really. After all, as I believe JFK quoted once: "There is no point in the survival of a nation if its traditions do not survive with it".

I agree completely with the tradition, but both of those traditions predate christianity, not only in britain but around the world. I actually approve of both of them as cultural elements, but they don't have or need any religious significance, just a social one, which they have and will continue to have even if christianity had never existed.

 

[Yas786]

Wait you're saying Turks boo'd a German player when the Germans were playing Turkey?

Good lord!


Football fans booing the other teams players in an international game?

What has the world come to.

You'd have never had this back in the old days, beatings and murders sure but booing?

Never.

 

[t3kno_tr0n|c]

Does this strike you as being compatible with British Values??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-tribute-London-suicide-bombers.html?ITO=1490

I dont think so, do you?

 

[Abraham]

Does this strike you as being compatible with British Values??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-tribute-London-suicide-bombers.html?ITO=1490

I dont think so, do you?

tbh it does actually, it's crass, maybe a bit offensive, obviously trying to be provocative, even somewhat satirical (the angels are very typical christian angels). These are all traits commonly exhibited by all aspects of british culture (by which I mean arts type culture), be it music, comedy, painting, poetry we have always had a nature of pushing the envelopes of taste and acceptance.

If that same picture had been drawn as a cartoon with the 4 angels getting to heaven and being provided with a harem of spotty male virgins (a massively common joke on the stand up circuit re: islamic fundamentalist suicide bombers), then I doubt anyone would have batted an eyelid, why is it any more offensive just because it's not poking fun at the suicide bombers. It's not glorifying what they did, or degrading those who suffered.

 

[Patient Keeper]

I agree completely with the tradition, but both of those traditions predate christianity, not only in britain but around the world. I actually approve of both of them as cultural elements, but they don't have or need any religious significance, just a social one, which they have and will continue to have even if christianity had never existed.

Are you seriously suggesting that Christmas and Easter has nothing to do with Christianity?

 

[Abraham]

Are you seriously suggesting that Christmas and Easter has nothing to do with Christianity?

For me they don't, and I'd wager a fair proportion of the "christian" population. Both represent a time to get together with my family, and a break from work. They carry absolutely no religious significance at all, why should they?

And as I say, they were both celebrations long before Christianity, hence the reason for Christmas being when it is despite the bible depicting his birth as being in springtime.

 

[Patient Keeper]

For me they don't, and I'd wager a fair proportion of the "christian" population. Both represent a time to get together with my family, and a break from work. They carry absolutely no religious significance at all, why should they?

And as I say, they were both celebrations long before Christianity, hence the reason for Christmas being when it is despite the bible depicting his birth as being in springtime.

You are crazy to think Christmas would have become a mainstay tradition without religion. And saying that they carry no religious significance is almost insulting and I am not even religious.

 

[Abraham]

You are crazy to think Christmas would have become a mainstay tradition without religion. And saying that they carry no religious significance is almost insulting and I am not even religious.

What are you talking about it wouldn't have become a mainstay? It was, it always has been, it's the middle of winter, within days of the winter solstice.

Easter is roughly the middle of spring, a time when traditionally everything is getting going again, things are growing, sheep are lambing.

They were both celebrations long before christianity, and were at most renamed for christianity, why on earth do you think they wouldn't exist without christianity?

What religious significance do they carry then? For yourself or me, both declared non-religious. How can something have religious significance to you if you're not religious?

 

[Yas786]

The only way I can see to stop it, its for me to have as many children as possible, and let us Brits out breed them.

Dear god your an utter arse arent you??...heres the thing and just reinforces my view that people of your ilk ie thinking etc are the most dangerous of all people...forget the muslims and the terrorists....you with your utterly stupid bigotted views pose far more danger to the world than a muslim terrorist....mainly because you will only force your views onto your children and so on.

I thought in your other thread you were being a bit naive but i hope to God the Canadians dont let you in because seeing as im Canadian, lived there for 20 odd yrs myself...it would be a sad day if they let the likes of you into the country.

Oh and im also british, born here and a muslim to boot...bet that really narks you off eh??

 

[Patient Keeper]

What are you talking about it wouldn't have become a mainstay? It was, it always has been, it's the middle of winter, within days of the winter solstice.

Easter is roughly the middle of spring, a time when traditionally everything is getting going again, things are growing, sheep are lambing.

They were both celebrations long before christianity, and were at most renamed for christianity, why on earth do you think they wouldn't exist without christianity?

What religious significance do they carry then? For yourself or me, both declared non-religious. How can something have religious significance to you if you're not religious?

Would it have carried religious significance say 300 years ago when 99% of the population was Christian?

Yes I'm not religious, but at least I understand the religious connotations and reasoning behind it that have been present in Europe for over a thousand years. But according to you we should just dismiss all that? Because we have no history or culture to be proud of according to some people..

 

[Crizzy]

To state that being both British and a Muslim is incompatible is downright insulting. Part of being British, to me, is accepting other people's beliefs and religions and helps create the free society we live in.

 

[Yas786]

Nothing in this country has got anythign to do with islam, I dunno why any of them are even over here.

We are here stealin yo jobzzzz and benefitszzzz

 

[Yas786]

Because we have no history or culture to be proud of according to some people..

Yet again what is british culture??..going to the pub getting sozzled then heading off to the curry house to sober up or is it british women getting drunk, parading around in tiny clothes and getting themselves knocked then claiming benefits???

No seriously what is british culture exactly and what does it entail exactly??

 

[Abraham]

Would it have carried religious significance say 300 years ago when 99% of the population was Christian?

Yes I'm not religious, but at least I understand the religious connotations and reasoning behind it that have been present in Europe for over a thousand years. But according to you we should just dismiss all that? Because we have no history or culture to be proud of according to some people..

I never said we don't have any history or culture... I said that there wasn't anything that applied across the board EXCEPT muslims, which you and your little friend seemed to be implying. I'm not sure how else you define not integrating. Britain is one of the most wonderful and amazingly diverse cultures, even if you only look at the "indigenous" folk. There is no aspect of muslim culture that there aren't echoes of within another social group already found in britain. Not that there aren't muslim cultures found in britain that predate yourself.

The only genuine problem people ever seem to raise against muslims is terrorism, but despite the obvious tarring everyone with the same brush nature of that, why does that mean muslims are more of a problem than people from the republic of Ireland?

 

[eatcustard]

Are you seriously suggesting that Christmas and Easter has nothing to do with Christianity?

They are both pagen festivels

Xmas is winter solstice and Easter is rebirth. (thats the little cute bunnies bit)

Early Christians adapted it to convert pagans, St Patrick being one of them.

 

[Nitefly]

Anyone that is trying to argue that Christmas is not related to Christianity must surely be arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

[Patient Keeper]

Yet again what is british culture??..going to the pub getting sozzled then heading off to the curry house to sober up or is it british women getting drunk, parading around in tiny clothes and getting themselves knocked then claiming benefits???

No seriously what is british culture exactly and what does it entail exactly Mr cambridge degree person??....because heres the thing having a degree doesnt make you anymore smarter than one without

Well well done, it is strange how you would chastise someone if they took and portrayed the more extreme and disgusting parts of a Muslim country's culture and claimed that was their entire 'culture', yet this is basically what you have just done with British culture.

What about the language, the accents, the architecture, art, music, literature, food, innovation? What about even folklore and folk songs? And also whether you like it or not: religion.

Cultures obviously evolve gradually, but what is happening with immigration is that they arent evolving, they are being forced to change to suit the people who dont want to integrate.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Anyone that is trying to argue that Christmas is not related to Christianity must surely be arguing for the sake of arguing.

True, but equally it is true that Christmas as most people celebrate it has nothing to do with any Christian belief.