When younger people are more senior at work

Lets say someone gets a graduate job in advertising aged 21 and they get promoted each year until they are 26 when they become Vice President which is the highest you get before you go into MD/CEO territory. 10 years later they are still Vice President. Does that mean they might as well still be 26 instead of 36?

It depends. If they randomly post onto a computing forum moaning how much they hate people younger than them and how depressing it is that someone younger than them was made MD/CEO, then yes they haven't grown in 10 years and might as well be 26 as far as experience is concerned.
 
Lets say someone gets a graduate job in advertising aged 21 and they get promoted each year until they are 26 when they become Vice President which is the highest you get before you go into MD/CEO territory. 10 years later they are still Vice President. Does that mean they might as well still be 26 instead of 36?



I've not sat around doing nothing for 10 years. I did hang around at the company I was at for longer than I should have but I did leave. The job I went to had a manager who was 16 years older than me and the rest of the team was flat structured where everyone was slightly older than me when I joined. That manager was constantly fighting battles and being given near impossible targets. One thing you were guaranteed at his level was that you would get pushed out one day.

Given that and the fact I'd still not managed to get my head around advertising and had never had any interest in it I decided I needed to move industries. I got a job in a different industry that was a one year contract with the view to go permanent afterwards. Then covid happened so the job ended.

Being unemployed at a time when loads of people were losing their jobs I couldn't afford to be too picky so I took the first job I was offered which is the one I'm doing now which is back in the advertising industry.

I was once young and ambitious myself but the advertising industry drained it all out of me.

Yes it does move into other aspects of my life. I was fuming when my younger cousin started making more money than me. I also refuse to listen to any music by anyone younger than me and always check their date of birth first.
Really all im seeing is excuses for something not working out rather than taking the initiative to work on yourself and improve yourself, maybe you should take a deeper look in the mirror. You dont hate the younger people, you hate your self, you are just jealous of younger people with more drive and determination.
You've sat around for 10 years doing nothing to progress you. Hell, the only thing thats progressed in 10 years is your bitterness.
 
It depends. If they randomly post onto a computing forum moaning how much they hate people younger than them and how depressing it is that someone younger than them was made MD/CEO, then yes they haven't grown in 10 years and might as well be 26 as far as experience is concerned.
I thought this was a career advice forum. What you've said is exactly the point though, once a youngster becomes more senior at work it makes you question what went wrong.

Really all im seeing is excuses for something not working out rather than taking the initiative to work on yourself and improve yourself, maybe you should take a deeper look in the mirror. You dont hate the younger people, you hate your self, you are just jealous of younger people with more drive and determination.
You've sat around for 10 years doing nothing to progress you. Hell, the only thing thats progressed in 10 years is your bitterness.
What am I supposed to do then?

I was sent a job spec today for a job in a much more interesting industry. The owner of the company was born in 1987 though. Do I go for it or not?

On one hand it should be a good move as I should have more desire to move onwards and upwards but the fact will remain that there will always be a younger person above me because obviously I would never be more senior than the owner.
 
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I thought this was a career advice forum. What you've said is exactly the point though, once a youngster becomes more senior at work it makes you question what went wrong.

I was sent a job spec today for a job in a much more interesting industry. The owner of the company was born in 1987 though. Do I go for it or not?
We've given advice, it's not our fault that you don't like it.
 
I thought this was a career advice forum. What you've said is exactly the point though, once a youngster becomes more senior at work it makes you question what went wrong.


What am I supposed to do then?

I was sent a job spec today for a job in a much more interesting industry. The owner of the company was born in 1987 though. Do I go for it or not?

On one hand it should be a good move as I should have more desire to move onwards and upwards but the fact will remain that there will always be a younger person above me because obviously I would never be more senior than the owner.

What went wrong - your attitude/work ethic/skills/capability/inability to understand age has nothing to do with ability/jealousy.

What you are supposed to do - work on the above, not moan that everyone around you is better than you.

Should you go for a new job? Yes go for it. Will you get it? Doubtful from what you've displayed so far.
 
When have I said I don't like the advice?

I've never told anyone I don't like them being more senior than me because they're younger. There's a lot of things I refrain from saying at work.

When I was 16 I worked with someone in the year above me at school who used to mess around all the time. He didn't get sacked but he got a written warning and when he left to go to university he was told he wouldn't be welcome back. After university he moved to London and got a job in an area that interests him. When I learnt of this I thought if he can do that then so can I.

He bought a flat when he was 25 for £200k. Then 10 years later he was the most senior person at his company aside from the owner and bought a big house in the countryside for £565k and kept his London flat to rent out. His house is now worth £690k and his flat is now worth £375k so that means once he's paid the mortgage off he'll be a millionaire.

I bought my property later and have paid off the mortgage but I'm nowhere near being a millionaire.

Going back to my original ambitions though I only addressed the occupation but never addressed the industry. Simply put if I had got the first graduate job I interviewed for which was in an industry I was really enthusiastic about then I'm sure I would be pretty senior by now.
 
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When have I said I don't like the advice?

Continually?

You originally had two questions:

Anyone else have the same problem? The answer is "no".

and what do you do about it? The answer is "deal with it".

The rest of the thread appears to you just giving excuses as to why you are where you are, rather than addressing your issues. You can't change what happened, and it sounds like you can't change your attitude, so we're at a bit of an imp arse.
 
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Continually?

You originally had two questions:

Anyone else have the same problem? The answer is "no".

and what do you do about it? The answer is "deal with it".

The rest of the thread appears to you just giving excuses as to why you are where you are, rather than addressing your issues. You can't change what happened, and it sounds like you can't change your attitude, so we're at a bit of an imp arse.
hit it on the head, guys a waste of oxygen.
I thought this was a career advice forum. What you've said is exactly the point though, once a youngster becomes more senior at work it makes you question what went wrong.


What am I supposed to do then?

I was sent a job spec today for a job in a much more interesting industry. The owner of the company was born in 1987 though. Do I go for it or not?

On one hand it should be a good move as I should have more desire to move onwards and upwards but the fact will remain that there will always be a younger person above me because obviously I would never be more senior than the owner.
sounds like a you problem, maybe stop being entitled will be a good start, then unpack and break down why you are such a miserable guy with no drive or determination to fix his own **** but constantly thinks its others fault, thats without even jumping on your hatred for anyone younger than a week doing better than you. Dont go for any job, no one wants you and that ****** attitude, you should be grateful to work with people of all ages, sex, backgrounds and everything else, regardless of their position, they deserve it, stop being a tos ser.
When have I said I don't like the advice?

I've never told anyone I don't like them being more senior than me because they're younger. There's a lot of things I refrain from saying at work.

When I was 16 I worked with someone in the year above me at school who used to mess around all the time. He didn't get sacked but he got a written warning and when he left to go to university he was told he wouldn't be welcome back. After university he moved to London and got a job in an area that interests him. When I learnt of this I thought if he can do that then so can I.

He bought a flat when he was 25 for £200k. Then 10 years later he was the most senior person at his company aside from the owner and bought a big house in the countryside for £565k and kept his London flat to rent out. His house is now worth £690k and his flat is now worth £375k so that means once he's paid the mortgage off he'll be a millionaire.

I bought my property later and have paid off the mortgage but I'm nowhere near being a millionaire.

Going back to my original ambitions though I only addressed the occupation but never addressed the industry. Simply put if I had got the first graduate job I interviewed for which was in an industry I was really enthusiastic about then I'm sure I would be pretty senior by now.
constantly challenging everything, everyone and coming up with excuses why it hasnt worked is a clear sign you dont like the advice, refusal to accept you have some internal issues relating to younger being further in any way, shape or form is another thing.
"I've never told them the truth" I just sprout it off on an internet forum making myself look like the biggest idiot.
Honestly mate, its a shame no one at your work has found this account of yours and this nonsense view, you'd be out the door immediately and rightfully so.

"Oh I had a waste friend whos made himself a millionaire, ive done the done but im not, why" because you havent done the same thing you idiot, he made moves got in senior positions and made the most of his opportunity. You waited for someone else to make their move and tried to copy, now crying because you dont have the same life.

"I'm sure I would be pretty senior by now."
no you wouldnt, your crappy attitude is the problem here.
 
Continually?

You originally had two questions:

Anyone else have the same problem? The answer is "no".

and what do you do about it? The answer is "deal with it".

The rest of the thread appears to you just giving excuses as to why you are where you are, rather than addressing your issues. You can't change what happened, and it sounds like you can't change your attitude, so we're at a bit of an imp arse.
There has been other people who have said they have managers who are younger than them so clearly other people do have the same problem. The difference is they don't seem to mind it.

A former manager of mine had a manger around 5 years younger than him. They're both in their 60s now and still friends with each other but have since both left that company. He said that manager was more or less the best in the business at what he did and couldn't speak highly enough of him. I can't honestly say the same about those younger than me though. Their strengths are living and breathing the industry.

I admit I have made mistakes but if this thread has taught me anything its that I should move to a new industry and rocket up the ladder.

hit it on the head, guys a waste of oxygen.

sounds like a you problem, maybe stop being entitled will be a good start, then unpack and break down why you are such a miserable guy with no drive or determination to fix his own **** but constantly thinks its others fault, thats without even jumping on your hatred for anyone younger than a week doing better than you. Dont go for any job, no one wants you and that ****** attitude, you should be grateful to work with people of all ages, sex, backgrounds and everything else, regardless of their position, they deserve it, stop being a tos ser.

constantly challenging everything, everyone and coming up with excuses why it hasnt worked is a clear sign you dont like the advice, refusal to accept you have some internal issues relating to younger being further in any way, shape or form is another thing.
"I've never told them the truth" I just sprout it off on an internet forum making myself look like the biggest idiot.
Honestly mate, its a shame no one at your work has found this account of yours and this nonsense view, you'd be out the door immediately and rightfully so.

"Oh I had a waste friend whos made himself a millionaire, ive done the done but im not, why" because you havent done the same thing you idiot, he made moves got in senior positions and made the most of his opportunity. You waited for someone else to make their move and tried to copy, now crying because you dont have the same life.

"I'm sure I would be pretty senior by now."
no you wouldnt, your crappy attitude is the problem here.
Around 12 years ago I was listening to a conversation between 2 colleagues. One didn't go to university until her 20s and the other went travelling for a few years after university. Therefore they both didn't start their careers until their late 20s. One said they hate having people younger than them who are higher up such as person x and the other agreed.

Person x is still at that company as is the person who named them and person x is still much higher up the ladder to them.

The reality is that most of us would be out the door if we were honest with our opinions at work.

What happened to the person on track to be a millionaire is that he handed his notice in and the company owner gave him a place on the board to make him stay. He also made better decisions when it came to buying property. Had I bought a £200k flat when I was 25 I may have been on track to be a millionaire myself.

Man needs to humble himself and practice some gratitude. If you cannot do this, you'll never be able to get anything more because your life is a string of comparisons to others. Focus on you and your life.
That's difficult to do when I'm surrounded by youngsters all the time.
 
Had I bought a £200k flat when I was 25 I may have been on track to be a millionaire myself.
But you didn't.

One said they hate having people younger than them who are higher up such as person x and the other agreed.
Who gives a ****?

so clearly other people do have the same problem
It's not a "problem" though. It's a situation. I am more senior than a lot of much older people. I'm the youngest person on our leadership team. I couldn't give two ***** if a younger person was my manager if they were good. I care about what they do, not their age.
I admit I have made mistakes but if this thread has taught me anything its that I should move to a new industry and rocket up the ladder.
The biggest thing you should take from it, is make a change or quit bitching about it. Complaining is easy. Doing something about it is harder. Those people you speak of have taken action whilst you have not and now regret it. That's no one else's "problem" but your own.
 
Around 12 years ago I was listening to a conversation between 2 colleagues. One didn't go to university until her 20s and the other went travelling for a few years after university. Therefore they both didn't start their careers until their late 20s. One said they hate having people younger than them who are higher up such as person x and the other agreed.

Person x is still at that company as is the person who named them and person x is still much higher up the ladder to them.

The reality is that most of us would be out the door if we were honest with our opinions at work.

What happened to the person on track to be a millionaire is that he handed his notice in and the company owner gave him a place on the board to make him stay. He also made better decisions when it came to buying property. Had I bought a £200k flat when I was 25 I may have been on track to be a millionaire myself.

whaaa whaaa whaaa these people did this, this is my opinion which also happens to be everyone's opinion...
Apart from it isnt and you are still in the same position doing nothing and just whinging about it.... the other guys made choices and decisions, followed through them and benefitted. Person X and whoever else, who cares if they are progressing and one did one thing and one the other, both are doing something positive and moving forward.
You are not though.

Also, I am very honest with my work, I havent been sacked yet.
 
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