Where is the breaking point for you?

FoxEye said:
The only good result would be a hung parliament where sufficient number of pro-electoral reform MPs are elected to force a coalition where FPTP gets scrapped.

Then we can stop forever being wed to a Tory/Labour dichotomy.
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Even then they'll probably say "we just don't have the numbers to get it through!"

Or they'll do something annoying and disingenuous like another (non-proportional) AV referendum, which everyone will rightly deride as pointless while simultaneously holding it up as representative of any possible electoral reform in the future.

Edit: and it should be noted that if it were accepted, the line 100% would have been "we're tired of messing around with the voting system now, let's focus on the real issues" for any true Clegg believers still around.
 
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Surprise surprise I've got a different outlook. Lol.
I was effectively dead 15yrs ago so I'm kinda grateful for all of it and don't take anything for granted. It's not badly affected me because now I'm cautious with a spontaneous side. I'm pretty accepting as every day is a gift but not afraid to be blunt and be direct in asking questions. I don't have time to mess around. I might not be here tomorrow.

If you want to change things from the normal dreariness you need to vote extreme otherwise you'll get the same. You can't vote for the same and expect different, that's just stupid.
I'm not talking Nazi Party or anything - Lib Dems or an independent. Something needs to change and that's the discretion of the public to vote a new party in.

Like the poster says "We need YOU". Different cause but same method.

Complete tangent there lol.
 
FoxEye said:
I keep saying if the Tories win the 2024/5 election, I'm off. It's not something I'd want anyone to hold me to, but that will be the point at which the UK has officially jumped the shark.

If we put the Tories back in after this past few years - Truss and Johnson and everything else - then there is absolutely no hope for this country's future.
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Where will you go?
 
Bassmansam said:
Where will you go?
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Realistically, nowhere. We've lost freedom of movement, and a lot of places have age restrictions for immigrants (typically under 45 or something). I'm an oldie, now.

But things might get bad enough here to warrant giving it some seriously consideration, rather than just joking about it.
 
willhub said:
So with the looming threat of Russia, north Korea, China, the ongoing war in Ukraine, the cost of living and general state of the UK, leaving Europe, global warming and the threat of ocean currents shutting down and also talk of pandemics, does it not seem like our way of life is going to change in our lifetimes in such a way we can't imagine, or have people felt like this through most of time?

Because it sure doesn't feel like we're on a nice prosperous path forward does it? But we do like to continue as if nothing is happening, plodding on through life, eating chocolate and buying stuff.
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It is the British way. Eventually we will be asked to haul someone's nuts out of the fire.
 
CapitalOne said:
I'm getting to the point where I am bored of it. Can't wait until I can retire and sod off to some "Elysium" style gilded cage where I can just drink, game and fish with no worries.
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this was always my plan..... buying a fairly modest property , probably on menorca and retiring there

however a wife and child, followed by Brexit firmly put paid to that plan.
 
I'm at the point where I would rather have Larry the number 10 cat running the country that rotten Tories. I guess my breaking point would be if the bent ******** were voted in again.

Beyond that I'm pretty robust.
 
Ayahuasca said:
This wasn’t really the point of the thread. I think most people are aware that statistically speaking it’s better to be living now than at pretty much any point in history due to advancements in medicine, technology and general living conditions etc. Plus the fact we don’t tend to torture people or lock those with any form of mental illness away in asylums.

This thread wasn’t formed off the back of anything I’d consumed from legacy media either. It’s more a question on the attitude of the British public and whether we’ll just always accept things for the way they are.
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Oh ok, I thought the thread was about where people's breaking point was? (Hence my reference and the thread title!)

Not convinced most people do consciously know that, ie:
Genuinely think it is all going to ****

Everything these days is so hilariously broken and dysfunctional.

The British have a certain tolerance to change though, we have been through much of it! Yet we've always grumbled about this generation being the worst and the country is going to the dogs.... One day, it might even be true!
 
It would take a lot for me to be driven to action. Probably something that had a severe negative impact on my family, like a famine or whatever.
CapitalOne said:
There are no new ideas and no boldness, no leadership and all this culture war crap. I'm not saying "they are all the same" but I am saying none of them on offer are outstanding..
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Rightly or wrongly that's a view I've held for some time, the major parties have long been obsessed with mud slinging and pointing out flaws in the policies of rivals, but proffer very little in the way of concrete plans to tackle issues. I've voted for 3 different parties over the years and also declined to vote a couple of times. Some people take umbrage at the idea of not voting "you are giving up the right to care / comment about anything", "our ancestors gave their lives to preserve the right to vote, you are being disrespectful" but I don't buy into that at all. It's down to someone to make a compelling case for me to support them, not me sticking a pin in the ballot paper.
 
CapitalOne said:
Politics used to be interesting in this country, but recently it's just McDonalds meals for the left and right. There are no new ideas and no boldness, no leadership and all this culture war crap. I'm not saying "they are all the same" but I am saying none of them on offer are outstanding.

When I used to talk politics years ago it was a niche subject, now every rissole has an unbudgable opinion you might as well go to a football match. Boring.

I'm getting to the point where I am bored of it. Can't wait until I can retire and sod off to some "Elysium" style gilded cage where I can just drink, game and fish with no worries.
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FPTP really is the root of all evil. I will say this over and over again.

It's not that there are no different ideas other than what the Tories or Labour are offering. It's just that under FPTP none of these ideas stand a chance.

Not only are people discouraged from voting for parties with different ideas, for fear of "wasting their votes", but when they do, those parties still can't get any elected representatives.

People vote for whichever out of Labour or the Tories they despise the least. It's sad, and it's criminal, really.

We can't call ourselves a democracy. We are a two-party state, with an electoral system that keeps everyone else side-lined. By design.

And these days those two parties aren't even all that different (which is where we agree).
 
Breaking point, well rather than go out with my placard i will waive the rules, be that joining the grey or black economy for instance or just sailing very close to the wind with the rules, a very very small example is registering my daughter at my parents house to get a good school (mow a Dr) rather than the scummy school we were defaulted.(back in Yorkshire) what would others do, write strong letters maybe and get nowhere
 
I swear this week is a sign, had an encounter on the bike path on Monday, then every day this week speaking to lots of angry people at work and also last week. Everyone is getting angrier and angrier, me too. I can't say I'm in the worst position either because some people really do have to ultra budget and literally got the bare necessities, but despite this, it seems insane, maybe I'll have to quit social media, and change MS Edge home page (all you get is USA, Putin, north Korea, literally the word is about impload if you read the home page).
 
willhub said:
I swear this week is a sign, had an encounter on the bike path on Monday, then every day this week speaking to lots of angry people at work and also last week. Everyone is getting angrier and angrier, me too. I can't say I'm in the worst position either because some people really do have to ultra budget and literally got the bare necessities, but despite this, it seems insane, maybe I'll have to quit social media, and change MS Edge home page (all you get is USA, Putin, north Korea, literally the word is about impload if you read the home page).
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But it IS others fault, people struggle due to energy bills for example, it's not their own mess? Not when the energy companies are recording record profits and the top dogs will be getting massive payouts. No, the price of living is extortion. The government are corrupt, we pay taxes to them, they don't even need to use their wage they can just claim most stuff on expenses, all leeching off society. It's not on.

The laws of the land, are not followed people act out because they know they can get away with it, double standards for those in authority too, penalties for crimes is not tough enough.
 
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