Where to Propose!!!

I think people are confused about how the whole "UK Visa" system works.

She cant just come here on her Spouse Visa, divorce me and then return lol.

Why do you all think she will divorce me? IF IF IF i had ANY ANY ANY doubt in my mind i would not risk my money and assets and LIFE with this girl, hell no. I may be young and "IN LOVE" but i am not stupid.

Everyone i have spoke to has said "SHE IS AFTER A UK PASSPORT STAY AWAY!". They really have such a bad reputation? There are thousands of UK Guys with Russian Wives (not ordered from the internet) who i can guarantee went through the same "grilling" that some of you are giving me and my friends / brothers and they happily married.

Im not saying that she wants to marry you to get a passport, im just saying that you dont know each other properly, let alone enough to make the decision to get married, I understand your situation, but its not your head that is making these decisions, not even your heart

and wether you like it or not, she has a good reason to marry you even if she doesnt know you properly whereas you do not have it that way round, and if she was using a marriage to get into the uk, she wouldnt be wanting to get divorced in a hurry, leaving it to you to chase it up and get it sorted, which could turn out to be a royal pain in the arse if you met somebody else, especially if she didnt even tell you where she was living.

One thing I will say about eastern european women is that they are brought up in their culture to look after their man, and are much more accomodating than their western european counterparts, however theres always the odd few who are just after meal tickets, good luck to you both, having only spent a matter of weeks together in ideallic locations its gonna be a massive strain being married 24/7, especially for her in a foreign country
 
costs a lot of money and it will happen, you are going to be her only friend for a long time, its a big strain, theres so many things that will happen that could make either of you change your mind and you dont find out until you live together for a while
 
I think people can't understand how/why you are willing to marry someone that you have spent so little time with. Marrying someone because you want to spend time with them isn't the way to do it really, surely you should want to marry them after spending a lot of time with said person.

There's no need to get upset either, after all this is a place for discussion.
 
I think people can't understand how/why you are willing to marry someone that you have spent so little time with. Marrying someone because you want to spend time with them isn't the way to do it really, surely you should want to marry them after spending a lot of time with said person.

There's no need to get upset either, after all this is a place for discussion.

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I can understand it very easily, young love'n'all that.

BTW what the hell is that on her head?
 
So you can predict the future now? Fancy giving me this weeks lottery numbers? :p

Is this the same girl that there was a pic posted with her infront of a poster of the Russian president?
 
Problem is, Russian girls are 'portrayed' like this nowadays for some reason.....So as soon as someone says: "Hey, I'm marrying my Russian girlfriend :)" they instantly bring out the bashing book.

Hopefully matey it's all true and you carry on happy ever after, as quite a few Russian girls are hot, so hey.
 
A good point has been made over and over that you should at leave 'live' with her under normal circumstances for a few months first, can't you live with her in Russia on a visitor visa or vice versa - surely it's won't financially strain you given your luck.

Either way, I'd really make sure your assets were completely secure (don't know how that works!) before doing this.
 
She applied for UK Visa on 3rd October. I was confident that she would get it but as it happened, it was refused which we then had to think about what to do. She had NO IDEA that i was going to propose to her in London Eye, it was going to be a suprise but after a Visa was refused AGAIN, we decided to seek professional help. I have some talks with some people about the situation and they advised to either wait 6 to 9 months before applying for a Visit Visa or to get married and then apply for a Spouse Visa or get engaged and arrange wedding in UK and apply for a Fiancee visa. In the end we decided that we will get married in St Petersburg or in a EU Country NOT the UK because of the Visa problem for her family/friends.

So now i have to suprise her with a proposal that she knows is going to happen very soon! I know it is wrong but hopefully i can make it as romantic as possible and not seem as if its just a question. Thus, this thread, ideas on where and how to propose in the most romantic way possible.

Surely if you've already agreed that you both want to get married, that's pretty much the proposal there? I really don't see the point of doing something over the top just so you can get down on one knee with a ring when she knows it's coming.
 
Surely if you've already agreed that you both want to get married, that's pretty much the proposal there? I really don't see the point of doing something over the top just so you can get down on one knee with a ring when she knows it's coming.

Well....That still wasen't really a proposal though, looks more of a "For you to come over here you need to marry me" proposal :p

Still be nice to have the moment though I guess, only issue you have now is if you go the route of 'nice night out then at the end propose to her' she'll probably know it's coming anyway....

Unless of course you treat her loads currently in that sense.
 
Surely if you've already agreed that you both want to get married, that's pretty much the proposal there?
That's what we did.
No engagement ring, minimal fuss, 4 weeks 'planning', 14 guests, 2 rings, 2 registrars, job done!
and so far... happily married for 1 month and 5 days! (long will it continue!)
We will have known each other for 3 years in February - have lived together for a year and a half. But I knew almost 3 years ago that he was the man I wanted to spend the rest of my life with.
 
You can't save for a house when married? You seem to be implying house ownership is more important to you than committing to your gf?


Marriage isn't just a piece of paper, it is a commitment. I think you understand this by saying that you're not ready ('until we are ready'). Why after 5 years are you not 100% sure that she is the one for you? Why are you unwilling to commit to someone you are 99% sure is the person you want to spend the rest of your life with?

Commitment is in the mind. An official piece of paper acknowledging a relationship that already exists and will exist with or without that piece of paper is not commitment.

The idea that someone else determines whether or not a couple are committed to a relationship seems quite bizarre to me. That's what marriage is - a third person formally recognising the relationship as a representative of an organisation (religion and/or government).

So your questions are all irrelevant because they stem from the false assumptions that a third person creates commitment between two people and that that is the only possible way to have commitment in a relationship.
 
Surely if you've already agreed that you both want to get married, that's pretty much the proposal there? I really don't see the point of doing something over the top just so you can get down on one knee with a ring when she knows it's coming.

A possibly interesting aside:

In the past, before the Christian church decided they wanted more power, a marriage in England could be done as simply as mutual agreement. The proposal of marriage and acceptance of the proposal was a marriage. Which, when you think about it, makes sense.

Marriage in England as far back as we can go was a purely personal agreement. It was not about the church or the state, like it is now. 'wedding' means 'to vow, to make a promise' (from Old English weddian), not 'to have a relationship approved of by church and/or state'.
 
Commitment is in the mind. An official piece of paper acknowledging a relationship that already exists and will exist with or without that piece of paper is not commitment.
No, but that's not what marriage is either.

The idea that someone else determines whether or not a couple are committed to a relationship seems quite bizarre to me. That's what marriage is - a third person formally recognising the relationship as a representative of an organisation (religion and/or government).
No it's really not. I understand why you think that based on how you view what getting married means, but that is where you go wrong.

Getting married is two people standing up in front of all their friends and family and telling them that they are committing themselves whole-heartedly to that person. Until you are married walking away from that person is easy, by getting married you are putting barriers in between yourself and splitting up showing that you have no intention of ever doing so. When you're married you're essentially one person to the outside world - the Angilion's. By both giving up a part of your individual persona, in the hope of creating something better, you are saying that this person is now part of who you are, not just a nice add-on like a coat that'll you'll throw away when it's out of fashion.

To put it ultra-simplistically, after however many years, if you're not willing (let alone wanting with every fibre of your body) to stand up in front of your friends and family and tell them 'actually this isn't just a short-term thing, I want to be with this person forever and I'm very proud to be able to say that' then they're probably not the right person for you.

So your questions are all irrelevant because they stem from the false assumptions that a third person creates commitment between two people and that that is the only possible way to have commitment in a relationship.
Funny, the person they were directed at didn't seem to think so...
 
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