Which Bit Torrant Proggy?

[GM@N]

Used azureus for about 5 mins before i found utorrent. Why cant all apps be written like this

 

[Supercow]

Defected from Azureus to uTorrent
Everyone thats still using Azureus, hasn't tried uTorrent yet.. fact

 

[Deleted member 58846]

uTorrent

 

[Captain Fizz]

Everyone thats still using Azureus, hasn't tried uTorrent yet.. fact

Lies.

I have used both.
Everyone in the flat prefers me to use Az. Including me.
(I have the RAM and CPU to spare)

 

[Dark_Angel]

Lies.

I have used both.
Everyone in the flat prefers me to use Az. Including me.
(I have the RAM and CPU to spare)

Well, I have tried both, and I prefer Utorrent. Smaller program, pretty much all the same features. I dont create torrents, I just download the odd thing thing, but I find Utorrent starts faster, I get around equal speeds downloading. So why not just use the smaller program.

I am not a heavy torrent user though. I mostly just use it rather than HTTP mirrors.

 

[Captain Fizz]

From the thread it seems...

• 1 PC connected - uTorrent
• Multiple PC's using the connection - Az

My flatmate uses uTorrent and it does indeed seem to be good...
But, the internet will be timing out, taking serveral attempts to get pages.

His uTorrent is downloading & uploading at say 2kb/s.
Hardly anything...
But if he turns it off - Whoosh. Internet at proper speeds agian...

We are with Pipex - Which may make a difference...??
I seem to get far better download speeds than him too (100 kb/s+ sometimes), but where the sources come from is probably a big part of that.

Shareaza (other flatmate) also seems to kill the connection, even if it's just dribbling along.
Az is the ONLY torrent proggie we've found to reliably not kill the connection.
(uTorrent was fine for about 2 months, started killing the connection again last week)

 

[FUNTY]

Another vote for uTorrent.

 

[Supercow]

Lies.

I have used both.
Everyone in the flat prefers me to use Az. Including me.
(I have the RAM and CPU to spare)

As do I, but why would you take up more resources just for the hell of it ?

 

[_Jimlad_]

As do I, but why would you take up more resources just for the hell of it ?

Because Captain Fizz can..

 

[Captain Fizz]

As do I, but why would you take up more resources just for the hell of it ?

See my previous posts...
(Sorry, read my previous posts! )

uTorrent makes the internet run like a slug...
Az doesn't.
I think Pipex may be the reason though... Somehow.
(These are real life tests - Over the course of about 6 months with various different apps... I can't explain it - but know it happens)

 

[B&W]

bit tornado, simple n does the job.

only crap thing is that it has a memory leak and can take upto 300mb on big downloads.

but cant be bothered to change it as downloads everything at good speeds.

 

[VeNT]

uTorrent has some REALY bad netcode in it, I've had that slowing down too, its a known issue.

 

[Pinkeyes]

I have always used Bitlord since Azureus.
Azureus caused my PC to get the dreaded 'System' process taking up 100% of my CPU.

Bitlord has been fine, but after all the recommendations - how can I not try utorrent !

 

[.:MBK:.]

From the thread it seems...

My flatmate uses uTorrent and it does indeed seem to be good...
But, the internet will be timing out, taking serveral attempts to get pages.

His uTorrent is downloading & uploading at say 2kb/s.
Hardly anything...
But if he turns it off - Whoosh. Internet at proper speeds agian...

We are with Pipex - Which may make a difference...??
I seem to get far better download speeds than him too (100 kb/s+ sometimes), but where the sources come from is probably a big part of that.

theres one problem here...pipex, make sure utorrent is encrypting the packets and using a non common torrent port, as pipex loves throttling of packets and torrent ports.

also then make sure ports are forwarding properly, if i dont have the ports forwarded properly i wont go above 2kb/s

using all that and a healthy dl i can occasionally max a dl on 2mb, most of the time 100k+ though, and im with F2S (aka Pipex)

 

[Captain Fizz]

theres one problem here...pipex, make sure utorrent is encrypting the packets and using a non common torrent port, as pipex loves throttling of packets and torrent ports.

Indeed - Random 5 figure port - Forwarded properly...
I have RC4 encryption enabled - My flatmate thinks it's on by default but I think he's not actually looked in the options.

 

[Jimbo]

Utorrent and I have no problem with network slowdowns etc, on my DG834G.

 

[s-p]

Do you use a Netgear DG834G Router by any chance?

I also use Utorrent and notice it makes the router slow.

Which revision of the DG834 do you have? Is it either v1, v2? I currently run a v1 which suffers the same slowdown you refer to. As documented on Azureus' and uTorrent's site, this appears to be due to the inability of the router to handle the number of connections a torrent client requires.

I have however been able to avoid this issue by running a few commands on the router...

1. Open http://192.168.0.1/setup.cgi?todo=debug. This will enable you to telnet to the router.

2. Download Telnet Scripting Tool (TST10) from here. This is used to send the list of commands to the router.

3. Create a text file, called router_update.txt in the same folder as your TST10 files with the following in:

192.168.0.1 23
WAIT "#"
SEND "cd /proc/sys/net/ipv4/netfilter\m"
WAIT "#"
SEND "echo 8192 > ip_conntrack_max\m"
WAIT "#"
SEND "echo 600 > ip_conntrack_generic_timeout\m"
WAIT "#"
SEND "echo 10 > ip_conntrack_tcp_timeout_close\m"
WAIT "#"
SEND "echo 120 > ip_conntrack_tcp_timeout_close_wait\m"
WAIT "#"
SEND "echo 1200 > ip_conntrack_tcp_timeout_established\m"
WAIT "#"
SEND "echo 120 > ip_conntrack_tcp_timeout_fin_wait\m"
WAIT "#"
SEND "echo 60 > ip_conntrack_tcp_timeout_time_wait\m"
WAIT "#"
SEND "echo 30 > ip_conntrack_udp_timeout\m"
WAIT "#"
SEND "cd /proc/sys/net/ipv4\m"
WAIT "#"
SEND "echo 1200 > tcp_keepalive_time\m"
WAIT "#"
SEND "echo 3 > tcp_keepalive_probes\m"
WAIT "#"
SEND "cd /\m"
WAIT "#"
SEND "exit\m"

4. Create a shortcut to your TST10.exe file, which you've extracted from the previously downloaded zip file. It should look something like this:

C:\Blah\Blah\TST10.exe /r:router_update.txt

5. Run said shortcut. A command prompt will display for a second at most before disapearing again.

All done!

Please note that in the event of a reboot of the router, all changes made here will be lost. If you're unsure at all about running these commands, please refrain from doing so!

 

[Strikeforce]

Which revision of the DG834 do you have? Is it either v1, v2? I currently run a v1 which suffers the same slowdown you refer to. As documented on Azureus' and uTorrent's site, this appears to be due to the inability of the router to handle the number of connections a torrent client requires.

I have however been able to avoid this issue by running a few commands on the router...

1. Open http://192.168.0.1/setup.cgi?todo=debug. This will enable you to telnet to the router.

2. Download Telnet Scripting Tool (TST10) from here. This is used to send the list of commands to the router.

3. Create a text file, called router_update.txt in the same folder as your TST10 files with the following in:



4. Create a shortcut to your TST10.exe file, which you've extracted from the previously downloaded zip file. It should look something like this:



5. Run said shortcut. A command prompt will display for a second at most before disapearing again.

All done!

Please note that in the event of a reboot of the router, all changes made here will be lost. If you're unsure at all about running these commands, please refrain from doing so!

Thanks for that!, did the trick!

 

[Kainz]

I run a DG834G v2 on a 2mb Zen adsl line with uTorrent and have never had any issues at all.

 

[dark_matter]

I disagree that Azer is better for networked computing that uTorrent. If you configure both apps correctly you should be able to browse the web normally (if a little slightly slower). Concentrate on making sure you are not saturating your upload bandwidth, check your upload limits, and number of connections per upload torrent. If you do saturate your upload, your downloads will suffer as well. Set your upload speed to approx 30-40% of your total maximum upload bandwidth. I disagree with people suggesting they set it as low as 10-15kbs. Unless they are talking about per torrent and have several concurrent torrents uploading.

I used to swear by Azer. But that also used to kill my partners browsing, and make my machine unusable to browse the web. So I know first hand that both apps can seriously degrade web browsing if configured incorrectly. Its useful to read the wiki's for whatever app your running, and have a good play with the settings. Also, I find that I improve my machines responsiveness if I host my torrents on a seperate drive that my OS.

Both applications are superb for p2p, once configured correctly. However I do appreciate that uTorrent runs natively on Windows, whilst Azer requires the Java Virtual machine to be running. In the end, it was this what swung it for me.