Poll: Which is the better visual upgrade, HDR 10 or Ray Tracing?

Jacky60 · 1 Dec 2020 at 11:55

Humbucker said:
HDR vs ray tracing is completely pointless debate. it's like arguing over which is better, anisotropic filtering or backlight strobing. one is a display specification, the other is a rendering technique.

which is better, the the colour blue or tuesdays? elephants or immanuel kant's "groundworks of the metaphysics of morals"?

lol!

chaparral · 1 Dec 2020 at 11:55

Check out the Ray Tracing difference on the first one in this video :eek:

deuse · 1 Dec 2020 at 11:55

LtMatt said:
I've no doubt there is better than what i have (Samsung CRG90 5120x1440)

But, it still is a massive upgrade from a non HDR display.

I also need a display that can sit on a desk, to be used for browsing and working with multiple Excel spreadsheets etc. Ultra wide is great for that.

You keep telling yourself that

I use my TV for everything.

LtMatt · 1 Dec 2020 at 11:56

deuse said:
You keep telling yourself that
I use my TV for everything.

How big is it?

A nice TV would be great, but it's just not feasible in my home office.

deuse · 1 Dec 2020 at 11:58

LtMatt said:
How big is it?

A nice TV would be great, but it's just not feasible in my home office.

Sony 75 inch ZD9 bow to the king

gpuerrilla · 1 Dec 2020 at 11:58

LtMatt said:
How big is it?

6 inches.. maybe 5.8?

Woodsta888 · 1 Dec 2020 at 11:58

LtMatt said:
It's okay, i could tell by your reaction without even looking at your post.

People may vote one way or the other, even if they've not tried both like some of us have.

And you know what, that's okay as it's just an opinion at the end the day. Nothing to lose sleep over.

There you go again, getting bent out of shape assuming you know what poeple have/have not seen. Come and look at my 77 inch C9 in the living room :rolleyes:

Did you change back to LtMatt from AMDMatt because you can't stay objective enough.

My reaction? reply was to your ridiculous biased assumption. To me as an owner of both that can comment.

They are both good when implemented properly - I said why I gave Ray-tracing my vote. I didnt start with the "90% of ray tracing voters haven't seen HDR", that was all you getting bent out of shape because they didn't agree with you.

ltron · 1 Dec 2020 at 11:59

I don't know which is better because you can't get proper HDR on PC monitors for a reasonable price and so I've never seen it. The lazy monitor industry need to sort it out.

LtMatt · 1 Dec 2020 at 12:01

Th0nt said:
6 inches.. maybe 5.8?

On a warm day.

Woodsta888 said:
There you go again, getting bent out of shape assuming you know what poeple have/have not seen. Come and look at my 77 inch C9 in the living room

Did you change back to LtMatt from AMDMatt because you can't stay objective enough.

My reaction? reply was to your ridiculous biased assumption. To me as an owner of both that can comment.

They are both good when implemented properly - I said why I gave Ray-tracing my vote. I didnt start with the "90% of ray tracing voters haven't seen HDR", that was all you getting bent out of shape because they didn't agree with you.

That's it, let it all out dear.

Ollie_B_2000 · 1 Dec 2020 at 12:01

ltron said:
I don't know which is better because you can't get proper HDR on PC monitors for a reasonable price and so I've never seen it. The lazy monitor industry need to sort it out.

Just need more adopters to jump on board and buy the higher end products for it to trickle down to the masses.

Pottsey · 1 Dec 2020 at 12:03

imginy said:
If it looks worse in HDR then some of the settings must be wrong on the TV.
HDR gaming on pc has been pretty decent for a long while now.
Remember as soon as you switch to HDR all the TV settings will reset to default. Not all games use the same gamma and this has to be set right as well as the colour pallet and also backlight has to be turned right up.
As soon as you change the gamma all the paper white and everything needs re adjustment. HDTest has a video on nearly every game showing how to set it best.

Never heard of HDtest will take a look. As I said before Destiny looks great in HDR but Division 2 the black levels are wrong, all washed out and dull. It looks massively worse in HDR and no matter what I do I cannot get it to work correct. You know how washed out the screen goes when you set RGB to limited. That is how HDR Division 2 looks for a lot of people. Even though its on RGB full it feels and looks like RGB limited.

TNA said:
“I wonder who is voting Ray Tracing? I feel they either did not understand the question or have not seen what proper HDR looks like.”

I could say the same for Ray Tracing. It feels like people don’t understand the question and have not seen proper ray tracing in motion. Ideally you want both but if I had to choose it would be Ray Tracing all the way.

LtMatt · 1 Dec 2020 at 12:04

deuse said:
Sony 75 inch ZD9 bow to the king

Yep, that's not going to work on my desk, I'd be blind within an hour sitting that close to a TV that big.

varkanoid · 1 Dec 2020 at 12:09

Grim5 said:
Its not delayed again, game is gold, printed and shipping and reviewers are receiving their copies for review tommorow

I didnt say it was.

XeNoNF50 · 1 Dec 2020 at 12:09

Real hdr > current implementations of Ray tracing. Hdr and Ray tracing together is immense though.

deuse · 1 Dec 2020 at 12:09

LtMatt said:
Yep, that's not going to work on my desk, I'd be blind within an hour sitting that close to a TV that big.

I'm 9ft away from it

Have a desk in front of your desk

TNA · 1 Dec 2020 at 12:11

mingey said:
Whole premise of the thread was baited towards AMD regardless and to make a point of Ray Tracing Vs HDR, both completely different but thread was done so in a fashion to highlight the fact AMDs weakness in RT is a moot point because we have HDR, AMD shills/fans need only apply.

Yeah, I did notice this also. Not sure if he did it conscientiously or unconscientiously

Either way I always answer it as it is. Right now as it is a OLED with a game that offers HDR offers a bigger leap in image quality vs the best RT game available imo.

deuse said:
Who buys HDR with only 1000 nits?

Exactly, you just buy a OLED

Woodsta888 said:
Did you change back to LtMatt from AMDMatt because you can't stay objective enough.

Ouch! Lol

ltron · 1 Dec 2020 at 12:19

Ollie_B_2000 said:
Just need more adopters to jump on board and buy the higher end products for it to trickle down to the masses.

It's a tough sell if people have never seen proper HDR before.

chris85oc · 1 Dec 2020 at 12:20

deuse said:
Sony 75 inch ZD9 bow to the king

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/z9d

seems like only 1600 nits on a 10% window with all the negatives of LCD.

pretending it’s better than OLED

TNA · 1 Dec 2020 at 12:22

Pottsey said:
I could say the same for Ray Tracing. It feels like people don’t understand the question and have not seen proper ray tracing in motion. Ideally you want both but if I had to choose it would be Ray Tracing all the way.

Well I have seen both (own hardware for both) and that is my opinion. With time as we get better implementations of RT in games my opinion will chance. But right now with what is available HDR hands down for me.

I completely agree you want both. Good thing is, I do (well when I take my PC downstairs and connect to my OLED for 4K 120Hz proper HDR goodness)

Let's see what Cyberpunk brings to the table.

chris85oc said:
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/z9d

seems like only 1600 nits on a 10% window with all the negatives of LCD.

pretending it’s better than OLED

Bias mate bias, we all have it to some degree. Some more than others

OLED is where it is at

LtMatt · 1 Dec 2020 at 12:27

The level of one-upmanship in this thread warms the cockles of my heart.