Who are you voting for on Thursday?

Any MP who racks up expenses like that, all the while saying he took what he could so why should he pay it back... and carrying on to make inciting comments shown in that video? Too bloody right that's an enemy within; dare I bastardise an old quote and call them a cancer in democratic government? Yes, I do.

I don't know the details of his expenses claims. But if he's broken the rules and fiddled and cheated, then it's a shame he's in such a position of trust and power. But it's a shame because he's abused both of those things, not because he is a muslim.
 
In an ideal world parliament would closely represent the population of the country. But you are never in reality going to get that position. However it could certainly do with being a bit more representative than it is currently.
 
I don't know the details of his expenses claims. But if he's broken the rules and fiddled and cheated, then it's a shame he's in such a position of trust and power. But it's a shame because he's abused both of those things, not because he is a muslim.

Who said it was because he was a muslim? I said I'm angered and disgraced that he felt it was OK to "take what [he] could, and don't see why [he] should give it back" from the British taxpayer, all the while spouting Muslim rhetoric and 'inshallah the entire parliament will be muslim soon, lolz'. Clearly taking the pee.

The only part I objected to was the fact he was using muslim terms in his speeches. He's an MP in an English parliament, which funnily enough is in England, UK. That's the place where we speak English and are predominantly Christian. Don't start spouting Arabic at us, gloating how you're gaining ground, while milking the taxpayer for every penny you can and then saying how we can get stuffed if we think he's handing his excesses back, "because he doesn't have to".
 
I don't know the details of his expenses claims. But if he's broken the rules and fiddled and cheated, then it's a shame he's in such a position of trust and power. But it's a shame because he's abused both of those things, not because he is a muslim.

I was just curious, whether the BNP followers thought we were crazy too, because I personally can't comprehend how anybody can support their ignorance, I can't understand how you can value somebody higher or lower because of their skin colour. I basically wondered if they were as confused with my views as I am with theirs. Is it weird that I am not prejudiced?
 
Maybe someone should say " at this rate the whole house of commons will be bnp " swap the rest with bnp and see if the results are the same , ahh doesn't matter im sure it was just a joke ;)

You have a very strange outlook on things, you support a party who stir up hate yet you condem that video :confused:
I also would be interested in seeing that video in full rather than a soundbite which supports your views then we will see what the context of the comments were ;)

As for this nonsense about distinguishing between people born here and not,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Dygboz4Ew

Dammit i was going to avoid this topic:/

@Rainmaker
Surely he should be addressing the audience he is speaking to?, as such use whatever is appropriate
If you were to use a common term like c'est la vie in a speech, would you be equally offended? and say this is England, we speak english....

Having met the guy and found him to be a self-absorbed muppet, i don't see how using appropriate dialogue is wrong :s
 
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That speech wasn't exactly filled with Arabic, was it though? I could understand every word perfectly. I think you're massively over-reacting.

Besides, I don't mind people speaking their own language. It doesn't offend me. Does it offend you?

He's not a member of an English parliament, no such parliament exists, as an apparently proud and intelligent Englishman, I thought you would appreciate that England is part of the Union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. That is what the Parliament in Westminster deals with.

I also would like to hear your opinions on atheists? Should they shut up because they are not Christian. There are more atheists in this country than muslims. You seem to be suggesting that imposing a single political, social and religious identity on the people in this country would be a good thing. I have to say I whole-heartedly disagree.

I'm proud that this country tolerates and takes account of all religions and viewpoints. No matter how bigoted, hateful or narrow-minded .
 
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He's not a member of an English parliament, no such parliament exists

The English seem to be getting airbrushed out of history, we are the only home nation not to have our own parliament. But we have MPs from NI, Wales & Scotland passing laws which affect us in England :/
 
That speech wasn't exactly filled with Arabic, was it though? I could understand every word perfectly. I think you're massively over-reacting.

Besides, I don't mind people speaking their own language. It doesn't offend me. Does it offend you?

He's not a member of an English parliament, no such parliament exists, as an apparently proud and intelligent Englishman, I thought you would appreciate that England is part of the Union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. That is what the Parliament in Westminster deals with.

I also would like to hear your opinions on atheists? Should they shut up because they are not Christian. There are more atheists in this country than muslims. You seem to be suggesting that imposing a single political, social and religious identity on the people in this country would be a good thing. I have to say I whole-heartedly disagree.

You might not mind hearing it, but I do. For the record yes, I had to look up what inshallah meant - I don't live in a place filled with foreign speaking foreigners, I live in a quiet town in England.

Is it so much to ask that Arabic religious phrases aren't spouted during English/British political speeches? And yes I'm fully aware how parliament works, I said English because it's in England. The Welsh, Scots Northern Irish have their own little assemblies and law-making independence but we have the "British" parliament. Whatever. I won't apologise for using the term English, even if it wasn't 100% correct in the circumstances it was in practise.

For the record I'm not Christian either, I'm athiest. So again your point has no meaning for me. I just think it's a pee-take for some bent, fiddling money grabbing muslim to stand spouting crap like that while bending over the tax payer. The fact that I had to grab for a dictionary to look up the foreign religious phrase he used is enough to say it's wrong unless he was in that foreign land to begin with. I won't apologise for saying so.
 
The English seem to be getting airbrushed out of history, we are the only home nation not to have our own parliament. But we have MPs from NI, Wales & Scotland passing laws which affect us in England :/

It's hardly airbrushing the English out of history. It's part of the process of devolution, which I disagree with - the UK is better united. As far as I understand, please correct me if I am wrong, the laws passed in Westminster affect all of the UK, not just England. So those Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish MPs have every right to vote on them. It's not as if they are simply voting on English legislation unrelated to their own. I don't have a problem with that, in fact I'd have a problem with any removal of their representation from the Wesminster parliament.
 
It's hardly airbrushing the English out of history. It's part of the process of devolution, which I disagree with - the UK is better united. As far as I understand, please correct me if I am wrong, the laws passed in Westminster affect all of the UK, not just England. So those Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish MPs have every right to vote on them. It's not as if they are simply voting on English legislation unrelated to their own. I don't have a problem with that, in fact I'd have a problem with any removal of their representation from the Wesminster parliament.

I am a unionist too and don't agree with the separate parliaments.

You are mistaken though, sadly - some legislation in the Commons does not affect Scotland, NI or Wales. So MPs from those countries are voting on matters which affect purely England.

Let's not forget that the Tories got the most votes in England in the last general election as well, yet we have a Labour government with a large majority. Basically because of a few thousand Scot and Welsh votes the English have had a government imposed on them who they didn't vote for.

But I digress...
 
Is it so much to ask that Arabic religious phrases aren't spouted during English/British political speeches? And yes I'm fully aware how parliament works, I said English because it's in England. The Welsh, Scots Northern Irish have their own little assemblies and law-making independence but we have the "British" parliament. Whatever. I won't apologise for using the term English, even if it wasn't 100% correct in the circumstances it was in practise.
It is not a English/British political speech, it was a speech at the Global Peace and Unity Conference
http://www.theglobalunity.com/
He was addressing a specific multi-national audience (which incidently was predominantly people who would understand the phrases) representing Britains role in the Islamic World

Surely you would be used to checking up the endless misinformation that plagues these threads involving the BNP
The whole speech for those interested;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knk_jpq7Vx8&feature=related
 
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It is not a English/British political speech, it was a speech at the Global Peace and Unity Conference
http://www.theglobalunity.com/
He was addressing a specific multi-national audience (which incidently was predominantly people who would understand the phrases) representing Britains role in the Islamic World

Surely you would be used to checking up the endless misinformation that plagues these threads involving the BNP

That page contains a trojan.
 
It is not a English/British political speech, it was a speech at the Global Peace and Unity Conference
http://www.theglobalunity.com/
He was addressing a specific multi-national audience (which incidently was predominantly people who would understand the phrases) representing Britains role in the Islamic World

Surely you would be used to checking up the endless misinformation that plagues these threads involving the BNP
The whole speech for those interested;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knk_jpq7Vx8&feature=related


I wonder if a white MP said things like that I bet most muslims woud say he is racist.
 
It is not a English/British political speech, it was a speech at the Global Peace and Unity Conference
http://www.theglobalunity.com/
He was addressing a specific multi-national audience, representing Britains role in the Islamic World

Surely you would be used to checking up the endless misinformation that plagues these threads involving the BNP

No. He is a British government minister shown using a "peace and unity" conference as a political platform for the profession of his religious-political ideals. As such I'd expect more plain-speaking (read: no Arabic/muslim religious phrases), less rhetoric, less blatant stirring, and a helluva lot less pilfering. Hell, in a sense the fact he was at a conference about Britain's role in the Islamic world makes it WORSE that he saw fit to jibe about how soon the entire parliament / PM would be muslim.

But we'll have to agree to disagree it seems. I'd have booted him out of office for more than one reason long ago, you think I'm somehow ignorant and racist. I still didn't vote BNP. :p

EDIT: In reflection of deuse's post above... when is the conference for the role of Britain's role in the non-islamic world? Ohnoes, racist! :D
 
i don't get what the content has to do with his use of arabic in a speech which you seem to object to :confused::confused:

Edit: Politicians regularly use local phrases in speeches to a local community when they are abroad, the English public were never the target audience and it was not a English speech i see nothing wrong with him using appropriate language at all
 
i don't get what the content has to do with his use of arabic in a speech which you seem to object to :confused::confused:

I object to the fact that people like him have no place in politics, period. It's about time we had a bloody good clear-out and binned all the rubbish. We can only dream. Either way, we'll clearly not agree on this issue so I'll make this my last post. We've sidetracked the thread enough.
 
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