Who here owns a Renaultsport?

Skeeter said:
If i went for an MOT and the tester failed to pick up on something as obvious as an illegal plate, i would be seriously concerned about their ability to pick up on other, potentially dangerous faults.
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lol? The actual size of the plate wouldn't make it illegal would it? just the actual text size/font? It's not that easy to pick up on and it's daft to say that's as bad as missing something that actually makes the car a danger to drive.
 
Tim is correct - it is the size of the type not the actual plate, except a requirement for it to have at least an 11mm margin around the type IIRC.

Not all testers will spot it or care. FWIW though, the MOT test is not there to assure you that your car is road worthy.

MOT tests are hit and miss - I ask my mate to be extra tight on the important stuff and he is perhaps a little more lenient on the less important stuff (Of course, he doesn't allow flat out illegal stuff ;) but if something unimportant was border line he'd probably swing his decision to pass)
 
There is a minimum height for the letters, and a minimum margin around those letters on the plate. Therefore that creates a minimum size of numberplate (I believe its 101mm height, don't know about the width). If your plate is smaller than that then either the margin or the letter height, or both, are illegal.

I knew you would pick up on this Mike (I also knew you would have a 'mate' who did your MOT's), but my statement still stands. If the MOT test is carried out properly then a car with illegal sized plates will fail. Saying that it wont fail simply because you get your MOT's done by some dodgy guy down the road who turns a blind eye is just useless internet miss-advice, again.

Also, I presume that leaking shock is included in the advert details for your 'Mint' 182...
 
Skeeter said:
There is a minimum height for the letters, and a minimum margin around those letters on the plate. Therefore that creates a minimum size of numberplate (I believe its 101mm height, don't know about the width). If your plate is smaller than that then either the margin or the letter height, or both, are illegal.
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Yes, I know. I just thought it was a bit lol how you compared an MOT tester not spotting a few mm decrese of the number plate dimensions to not spotting something potentially dangerous.

The only thing not spotting an illegal number plate does to the tester is put his licence at risk, and even then he could claim the plate was fitted after the test.
 
*sigh*

You know what Gustov, don't worry, it will pass fine. Stick some bald tyres on there too while your at it, and disconnect the brake lines.
 
:p

It will more than likely pass, definitely worth trying to avoid the faf of buying legal plates just for the test, imo.
 
Hello all,

What would you say a great condition (apart from one car park ding on drivers door) 2002 flame red 172 with 39k on the clock is worth on today's market?

It's completely standard except for a Ktec stealth exhaust (replaced because the previous standard one is made of cheese) and re-mapped with FastChip.nl to remove the flat spots.

I'm thinking of selling up and have no idea of it's value.
 
172's on around 80k are going for £1500. A nice one on 39k is probably worth £2500 tops if your lucky. Expect £2k and you should be ok.
 
Skeeter said:
*sigh*

You know what Gustov, don't worry, it will pass fine. Stick some bald tyres on there too while your at it, and disconnect the brake lines.
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No need to get ****y with me, I only asked the question. I put the standard plate back on. Car failed the MOT. Apparently the bearing on one of the wheels was more worn that he had ever seen.
 
Skeeter said:
There is a minimum height for the letters, and a minimum margin around those letters on the plate. Therefore that creates a minimum size of numberplate (I believe its 101mm height, don't know about the width). If your plate is smaller than that then either the margin or the letter height, or both, are illegal.

I knew you would pick up on this Mike (I also knew you would have a 'mate' who did your MOT's), but my statement still stands. If the MOT test is carried out properly then a car with illegal sized plates will fail. Saying that it wont fail simply because you get your MOT's done by some dodgy guy down the road who turns a blind eye is just useless internet miss-advice, again.

Also, I presume that leaking shock is included in the advert details for your 'Mint' 182...
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Once again basic comprehension skills fail you - this is becoming a more and more common trend.

My opinion has nothing to do with how I have my cars tested - the simple fact is that when MOT testers are testing tens of cars every day, things do get missed. It has got nothing to do with whether the plate is illegal - we all know the plate is illegal, it's whether the tester actually picks up on it.

When your car is MOTed, the tester does not go around and measure every numberplate, because 99.9% of the time they are all identical - hence why a 3/4 plate on a Clio which is not ridiculously small may be missed in an MOT test.

Now I've held your hand through the process of explanation, perhaps you'd like to wind your neck in?
 
I notice you ignored the leaking shock comment?

Perhaps you would like me to hold your hand through the process of writing a car advert that actually bears some resemblance to the genuine condition of the car for sale?

Unless your suggesting that, like 'your mate' the MOT tester, potential buyers are going to just turn a blind eye to leaking shocks, broken gearboxes, and squeaky cam belts on an apparently 'mint' car?

But if you want to continue to try to pull apart everything I say as some sort of miss-understanding on my part, even though you know exactly what I mean every time, go ahead. What ever keeps you happy.
 
FWIW, the leaky shock is a very recent thing and much like the Gearbox - if there was any interest on the Clio after it was noticed (The Clio that isn't actually advertised anywhere except a million pages back on Cliosport.net), it would simply be fixed before they viewed the car.

But that's completely irrelevant as I say - the Clio hasn't really been advertised, except an advert on CS.net before any of these issues existed and a passing comment to someone looking for a 182 on here.

The new gearbox was delivered today and the cambelt is not squeaky (there is a slight whine that was established as completely normal on CS.net and I simply did not notice it over the sound of the de-phaser rattle previously).

Now will you wind that neck in?
 
So if the Clio isn't for sale, how are you funding the Accord?

Anyway, enough argument, I thought I would lighten the mood with a nice little game. Nice and simple, spot the difference in the image below:

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According to Mike, its really easy to miss.
 
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