Who is going to get a Pascal Titan X ?

crinkleshoes · 24 Jul 2016 at 15:51

Looks like I still had 3dmark open in the background and you can see 74C maximum over a 66m 40s run of Time Spy here too:

NirK · 24 Jul 2016 at 15:58

All I can say is I tried a FE, it was too hot and made weird high pitch noise at idle... swapped if for FTW and that is better but still run the FTW at 80% fan 2100rpm. The point here is nothing to do with your cards, it is just I think that the FE cooler is barely adequate for the 1080 180w card so does not look great for the 250w TX.

Combat Fighter · 24 Jul 2016 at 16:07

Thinking about it. . .

I really think this is the 1080Ti in disguise.

There wont be a 'Ti' version this time due to lack of competition.

Cleeecooo · 24 Jul 2016 at 16:10

crinkleshoes said:
No, not in this run or the run of Doom... I'm not sure where that has come from but you can see that the graph hasn't peaked over 74 - I took the screenshot with the graph in its highest point.

That bar is on one of the peaks in the graph... you can see quite a few of them along the timeline. The lower points (ie, the more frequent temp) was 72C.

The graph as 10 points of graduation, you would see a peak up to the next feint line of graduation if there was any 80C figure there. It shows the same max in the Doom run screenshot and there was no 80C peak there either... Afterburner wasn't restarted between runs to reset that figure, the graph is accurate.

It didn't reach 80C in either Doom or Time Spy. And again, GPU2 is more indicative of single card temperatures.

Right, I get you now. Thanks for clarifying.

crinkleshoes · 24 Jul 2016 at 16:17

Doom run... this time I reset afterburner so there was no misleading figure on the graph.

Max 74C

The dip at the start of the graph is a 60FPS limited cut-scene rather than start of play.

And that's the top card which has 5-10C added by the second card.

Even at idle, the top card is 5C warmer than the bottom card, so under load the difference will be minimum 5C, although it's likely amplified under load. I'm not taking the second card out to test.

Orangey · 24 Jul 2016 at 16:24

NirK said:
All I can say is I tried a FE, it was too hot and made weird high pitch noise at idle... swapped if for FTW and that is better but still run the FTW at 80% fan 2100rpm. The point here is nothing to do with your cards, it is just I think that the FE cooler is barely adequate for the 1080 180w card so does not look great for the 250w TX.

Usually the Titans have a vapour chamber or some extra accoutrement to deal with increased TDP requirement.

But you do have to laugh at NV's seethrough attempt at shilling the Impatience Tax Edition, to paraphrase their own words "it's a higher quality cooler so it's worth more". We know they're full of crap yet they don't seem to be stopping this practice. Back in the day when there was competition they wouldn't be able to pull this kind of caper.

N19h7m4r3 · 24 Jul 2016 at 16:27

Orangey said:
Usually the Titans have a vapour chamber or some extra accoutrement to deal with increased TDP requirement.

The 1080 Founder's Edition has a vapour chamber as well, similar to top lines as well.

I agree with the "Impatience Tax Edition", the cooler doesn't justify the price; and it certainly isn't good enough from what I've seen to warrant the price.

drex69 · 24 Jul 2016 at 16:35

Combat Fighter said:
Thinking about it. . .

I really think this is the 1080Ti in disguise.

There wont be a 'Ti' version this time due to lack of competition.

I think there will be a 1080Ti, as I can't believe they would release a 1060,1070,1080 & Titan X, in a 3 month stint, and nothing else for 6 - 9 months.

Griffildur · 24 Jul 2016 at 16:39

Combat Fighter said:
Thinking about it. . .

I really think this is the 1080Ti in disguise.

There wont be a 'Ti' version this time due to lack of competition.

I think there will be a 1080 TI probably even towards the end of this year. Hope it happens!

NirK · 24 Jul 2016 at 16:50

Orangey said:
Usually the Titans have a vapour chamber or some extra accoutrement to deal with increased TDP requirement.

But you do have to laugh at NV's seethrough attempt at shilling the Impatience Tax Edition, to paraphrase their own words "it's a higher quality cooler so it's worth more". We know they're full of crap yet they don't seem to be stopping this practice. Back in the day when there was competition they wouldn't be able to pull this kind of caper.

But the 1080 FE as far as I know is already the "pinnacle" of Nvidias blower coolers... it has vapour chamber and all that already.

I guess the 1080ti depends on if the TX is already cut down, eg. it could have 3800 or something cores but some are disabled... then it could be the only card... but if the TX is the full card eg. already has all cuda cores enabled, then they will definately save up the ones that do not work 100% (need to have some cuda cores disabled) and then call this the 1080ti. I guess they probably will but obviously I don't know.

Orangey · 24 Jul 2016 at 16:59

Maybe they'll do a 1080Ti in 2017 with full fat and then a double VRAM one called Titan XP Black or whatever.

chaparral · 24 Jul 2016 at 17:00

Orangey said:
But you do have to laugh at NV's seethrough attempt at shilling the Impatience Tax Edition, to paraphrase their own words "it's a higher quality cooler so it's worth more". We know they're full of crap yet they don't seem to be stopping this practice. Back in the day when there was competition they wouldn't be able to pull this kind of caper.

But it does look 1000 times better then AMD REF coolers...

NirK · 24 Jul 2016 at 17:15

Orangey said:
Maybe they'll do a 1080Ti in 2017 with full fat and then a double VRAM one called Titan XP Black or whatever.

If they make a 600mm card with 16GB HBM2 then that really will be insane speeds, but I think they probably won't, if the TX is already as 250w TDP then I do not think they go over 250w TDP? Maybe 270w TDP with HBM2 which uses less power I don't know. I think they will probably just develop the 11xx series rather than releasing even bigger cards than TX.

crinkleshoes · 24 Jul 2016 at 17:15

The Ti now is usually the chips that don't quite hold up to testing to go in Titan cards... so I expect we will see one.

It's a good way for them to clear stock of chips that haven't quite made the cut (albeit still good).

NirK · 24 Jul 2016 at 17:18

crinkleshoes said:
The Ti now is usually the chips that don't quite hold up to testing to go in Titan cards... so I expect we will see one.

It's a good way for them to clear stock of chips that haven't quite made the cut (albeit still good).

Yeh unless the TX is already not the full GPU. eg. it has 3800 cores with some disabled already. I do not know. Probably there will be a 1080ti around Xmas.

Gripen90 · 24 Jul 2016 at 17:45

I would have considered it, if it had HBM2 Vram and at least 16GB.... but now I'm really not that sure. I want something with more power to replace my 980Ti's.

LegendaryDread · 24 Jul 2016 at 18:04

Gripen90 said:
I would have considered it, if it had HBM2 Vram and at least 16GB.

Could you please explain the advantages of HBM2 over G5X that'll be noticeable in games?

Also, which games require more than 12GB VRAM?

Not meaning to pick on you, I'm just seeing this attitude all over the internet and it's frankly baffling.

Gregster · 24 Jul 2016 at 18:06

I am a bit with Gripen on that HBM 2 thing as well. Whilst it might not be the be all and end all and probably not give any advantage in games, for $1200 and coming with HBM 2 would be a "sold to the Gregster" for sure.

Like I said, no real gains but I want HBM 2 on my $1200 GPU

Gripen90 · 24 Jul 2016 at 18:23

LegendaryDread said:
Could you please explain the advantages of HBM2 over G5X that'll be noticeable in games?

Also, which games require more than 12GB VRAM?

Not meaning to pick on you, I'm just seeing this attitude all over the internet and it's frankly baffling.

It would mean a faster data in and output to the Vram, so that large textures would almost stream instantly, and with 16GB vram you could stream hughe texture sizes at once very fast and therefore the FPS should still be high and 0 texture stuttering.

When paying the same $1200 for the latest Titan vs the previous generation I would expect some considerable changes and not just a beefed up version of the last generation for the same amount of cash. This is not the case with the new Pascal Titan X, it's merely anything else than a beefed up Maxwell Titan X, and therefore it doesn't really appeal to me.
I had promised myself to buy a Titan with HBM2 Vram this year - but it seems we are not getting one...yet. :cool:

NirK · 24 Jul 2016 at 18:26

Gregster said:
Like I said, no real gains but I want HBM 2 on my $1200 GPU

Yes I think you have summed it up there "I do not know if it makes any difference but I want it because it is HBM2"

Really though unless they make a 6000 cuda core card for playing at 8k or something the 384bit G5x is massive memory bandwidth.

The advantages on the TX with HBM2 would be mostly smaller card, lower TDP and huge bandwidth that will not be used.