Whoever you support, which players would you like your club to sign from Italy?

There is also the possibility of the players resigning with contracts that cut their wages. I can see someone like Del Piero doing this.

Also didn't Kaka sign a new contract recently?
 
G|mp said:
I hope they all die on their arses
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This is what i love about this forum.
The fact that theres no prejudice or stereotyping from any of its members.
Not taking into account that the same member ive quoted above has, in another thread, said he wants one of the players that he wants to 'die on their arses', at the club he supports. :p
asuming ive read what he means by the comment correctly. lol.

sanofi said:
There is also the possibility of the players resigning with contracts that cut their wages. I can see someone like Del Piero doing this.

Also didn't Kaka sign a new contract recently?
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Milan asked Kaka to sign a new contract mainly so Madrid would stop trying to tap him up.
And as Gooner14 pointed out, it probably included a clause that voids the contract if Milan get relegated.
I agree though that DelPiero will stay at Juve. He said before it all he'd stay regardless.
 
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...Honesty isn't a known trait of your 'common or garden' Italian footy player is what I think was meant by that 'cheating' comment previously.

Italy's national Olympic diving team may well get some new recruits in the wake of all this though ;)
 
BoomAM said:
I was thinking, contracts with players in top devisions only ever have 1 layer of 'protection', and thats from relegation.
So really, regardless of if a player wants to leave Milan, they cant unless Milan want to sell.
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You're being a little optimistic there. I think Milan are in serious danger of losing any of their players who have 2 years or less left on their contracts and possibly quite a few more. None of the big players at the club will be signing a new contract for at least the next 2 years, by which time there will be a few not far off being able to leave on a free.

No club in the world is in a position to force a player to stay when he really doesn't want to. Clubs may try to persuade players to stay for a while but in the end if a player wants to leave then he will. The sanctions that have been imposed upon Milan and the other clubs only puts them in a weaker than usual position.

I don't think Milan wanted to sell Shevchenko, but he wanted to leave so he did. And that was before the match fixing scandal. If your top player is able to walk away from the club under normal circumstances, what's going to happen now?
 
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im not sure Juve will recover from this mess.

they are essentially a small club, with a small local fanbase, they were planning to move toi a 27,000 seater stadium in the next season or two due to the prohibitive costs of running the della alpi @ its 70~k capacity because they did not have enough fans to fill it even half way most weeks.

so with relegation and a loss of players i dont see where they are ever going to find the cash, players or fans to make it back up again? think napoli and sampdoria, 2 big names resigned to history.
 
greenlizard0 said:
uh OT, but will both these clubs still be part of G14 (+) now?
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Yes.
G14 is run by the clubs not a governing body.

wedgie22 said:
You're being a little optimistic there. I think Milan are in serious danger of losing any of their players who have 2 years or less left on their contracts and possibly quite a few more. None of the big players at the club will be signing a new contract for at least the next 2 years, by which time there will be a few not far off being able to leave on a free.
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Within 2 years we'll be back in Europe. Plus, all of our big names have already signed new contracts keeping them here till 2011.

No club in the world is in a position to force a player to stay when he really doesn't want to. Clubs may try to persuade players to stay for a while but in the end if a player wants to leave then he will. The sanctions that have been imposed upon Milan and the other clubs only puts them in a weaker than usual position.
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Actually, if a club doesnt want to sell, and no contract rules are being broken, then a player has no choice. Its either play or rot on the bench.

I don't think Milan wanted to sell Shevchenko, but he wanted to leave so he did. And that was before the match fixing scandal. If your top player is able to walk away from the club under normal circumstances, what's going to happen now?
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He left because he explained his reasons for leaving to Silvio, who said that he'll leave it up to Sheva. Family reasons. So Silvio let him go.
Just because a transfer request is given in, doesnt mean the club has to follow suit.
The same with what seems to be happening at United. RvN asked to go, they said yes, so he's going. C.Ronaldo wants to, but isnt being let.
 
BoomAM said:
We have a new sponser, giving us 5 times the amount Opel was giving us. That alone is worth millions per season.
Add to that Silvio being back at the helm and being more involved, i think so. I think we can survive a season. Thats if we dont get into the UEFA Cup, which would be another, small, boost to income.
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They may well have signed a new deal but these deals are usually success related. So surely no CL would mean less cash.
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Actually, if a club doesnt want to sell, and no contract rules are being broken, then a player has no choice. Its either play or rot on the bench.
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Technically speeking your right, its totally the clubs choice to sell players, but its not always the reality. There is no club that will keep an unhappy player who wants to leave and sit them on the bench; particuarly a big name player with high wages; it wouldnt make sence, they would be paying £x,000 a week plus the players value would decrease due to having a shorter contract.
 
BaZ87 said:
They may well have signed a new deal but these deals are usually success related. So surely no CL would mean less cash.
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At most (worst case) 2 season's without CL, which would be offset by our new sponsership deal anyway.

Technically speeking your right, its totally the clubs choice to sell players, but its not always the reality. There is no club that will keep an unhappy player who wants to leave and sit them on the bench; particuarly a big name player with high wages; it wouldnt make sence, they would be paying £x,000 a week plus the players value would decrease due to having a shorter contract.
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Chelsea are doing just that with Gallas.
Milan have already said that they're not selling, and it'd do the likes of Kaka more damage to not play and sit on the bench than it would do playing.
 
BoomAM said:
At most (worst case) 2 season's without CL, which would be offset by our new sponsership deal anyway.
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The sponsorship deal is what im talking about; the majority of sponsorship deals will be dependent on success/being in CL etc so without CL they will get less cash from there sponsors, well i presume it will be like that anyway.


BoomAM said:
Chelsea are doing just that with Gallas.
Milan have already said that they're not selling, and it'd do the likes of Kaka more damage to not play and sit on the bench than it would do playing.
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Firstly what Chelsea do has no relevance to what other clubs can do. The idea of getting rid of a player who wants to leave, rather than to force him to sit on the bench, is to save money; Chelsea are the only club where money literally is no object and makes no real difference to them how much they pay on wages or how much they get for there players. As we've seen with Sheva, he came out and said he wanted to leave and Milan had no real choice but to sell him and im pretty sure if Kaka came out and said he wanted to go then there would be nothing Milan could do; they are not rich enough (like Chelsea) to say sorry we don't want to sell you, play or sit on the bench and will end up selling him.
 
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The sponsorship deal is what im talking about; the majority of sponsorship deals will be dependent on success/being in CL etc so without CL they will get less cash from there sponsors, well i presume it will be like that anyway.
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The one with our new sponcer afaik is just a lump cash sum.

As we've seen with Sheva, he came out and said he wanted to leave and Milan had no real choice but to sell him and im pretty sure if Kaka came out and said he wanted to go then there would be nothing Milan could do; they are not rich enough (like Chelsea) to say sorry we don't want to sell you, play or sit on the bench and will end up selling him.
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Dont compare Shevas sale to the sale of any other player at any other club.
Milan didnt want to sell him based on how good he was and how much he is loved by the fans. Sheva asked Silvio & Gallani if he could go, and put across some very personal reasons as to why he wants to go. So they let him.
Milan v.rarely sell their star players, and as has been said in press releases since, the Sheva sale was a one off that wouldnt be happening again.
Its different with Kaka, hes an excellent player, but he doesnt have the stature at the club that Sheva did. The president & vice-president of the club are not family memory and/or great friends like they were with Sheva.
If he said he wanted to leave, his choice of leaving or not would not be upto him. Fact. And he knows that if Milan dont want to sell, then he's gona do more good for himself playing on the field than sitting on the bench. Short of some rediculus offer coming in for him, Milan simply wouldnt sell him.
And while your right, that few clubs could afford to sit a player on the bench, Kaka is at the age now that if he spent significant amount of time on the bench, that his rep would go down, interest in him would go down, and thus money offered for him would go down. He would have to play and play well for the good of his career.
 
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Its different with Kaka, hes an excellent player, but he doesnt have the stature at the club that Sheva did. The president & vice-president of the club are not family memory and/or great friends like they were with Sheva.
If he said he wanted to leave, his choice of leaving or not would not be upto him. Fact. And he knows that if Milan dont want to sell, then he's gona do more good for himself playing on the field than sitting on the bench. Short of some rediculus offer coming in for him, Milan simply wouldnt sell him.
And while your right, that few clubs could afford to sit a player on the bench, Kaka is at the age now that if he spent significant amount of time on the bench, that his rep would go down, interest in him would go down, and thus money offered for him would go down. He would have to play and play well for the good of his career.
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Like ive already said your right, technically speeking its up to Milan if they want to sell a player who is under contract, but...
There is no way that Milan will bench a player like Kaka and let his contract run down if he comes out a says he wants to move. There is very little room for morals now days, the club can't afford to lose money on wages and let a player (in this case) worth £20+m leave for free if/when his contract runs down. So there is no real risk of Kaka ruining his career because Milan simply wouldn't bench him as it would cost them too much.

Oh a quick point on the Sheva bit of your post. You were using the reasons of him being friends with Silvio and his stature etc for him "Never leaving" your now using the same reason to why he was allowed to leave.
 
I think what he is getting at is that if Milan refused to sell Kaka, he WOULDN'T be on the bench because even if denied a move, Kaka would still want to play and do well for Milan, lining up a future Bosman deal. OK so he might not be 100% focussed, but it's not as if he'll be getting the deckchair out in the semicircle either.

Or in other words, short of Kaka doing an Anelka, going AWOL and refusing to turn up for training etc, I can't see the need to sell him.
 
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