Whoever you support, which players would you like your club to sign from Italy?

HangTime said:
I think what he is getting at is that if Milan refused to sell Kaka, he WOULDN'T be on the bench because even if denied a move, Kaka would still want to play and do well for Milan, lining up a future Bosman deal. OK so he might not be 100% focussed, but it's not as if he'll be getting the deckchair out in the semicircle either.

Or in other words, short of Kaka doing an Anelka, going AWOL and refusing to turn up for training etc, I can't see the need to sell him.
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I know what you mean; im not talking about Kaka in particular i was just commenting on him saying its totally upto Milan if they sell a player. Which technically it is but unfortunately is not the reality anymore; if a player wants to leave 99.9% of the time it happens, Chelsea being that 0.1%
 
The funny thing is it happened the other way round before; Chelsea desperate to offload Bogarde and him holding his ground, doing everything he was asked, turning up to train with the youth team every day etc :)
 
BoomAM said:
Chelsea are doing just that with Gallas.
Milan have already said that they're not selling, and it'd do the likes of Kaka more damage to not play and sit on the bench than it would do playing.
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Except Gallas won't be sitting on the bench:)

Edit: And to answer the original question, none of them.
 
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BoomAM said:
Actually, if a club doesnt want to sell, and no contract rules are being broken, then a player has no choice. Its either play or rot on the bench.
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I can't think of a single example of a player of even half decent value being forced to sit out the remainder of a 2 or 3 year contract on the bench.

Back in the real world clubs may dig their heals in for a while in the hope that the player will change his mind or to get a good price. As I said before if a player really wants out of a club their contract doesn't mean a whole lot. Until an example is given otherwise then their is no argument against this.

I do however think of all the clubs Milan have the best chance of keeping their star players, not because they force them to stay but because most of them will want to stay and help the club out of trouble.

BoomAM said:
The same with what seems to be happening at United. RvN asked to go, they said yes, so he's going. C.Ronaldo wants to, but isnt being let.
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Ronaldo hasn't said he wants to go, he has said it would be fine if he signed for Madrid and it would be fine if he stayed at Utd. Either way Man U are obviously going to say he is not for sale to get the best price for him should it come to that.
 
HangTime said:
I think what he is getting at is that if Milan refused to sell Kaka, he WOULDN'T be on the bench because even if denied a move, Kaka would still want to play and do well for Milan, lining up a future Bosman deal. OK so he might not be 100% focussed, but it's not as if he'll be getting the deckchair out in the semicircle either.

Or in other words, short of Kaka doing an Anelka, going AWOL and refusing to turn up for training etc, I can't see the need to sell him.
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My point exactely.
 
BoomAM said:
Dont compare Shevas sale to the sale of any other player at any other club.
Milan didnt want to sell him based on how good he was and how much he is loved by the fans. Sheva asked Silvio & Gallani if he could go, and put across some very personal reasons as to why he wants to go. So they let him.
Milan v.rarely sell their star players, and as has been said in press releases since, the Sheva sale was a one off that wouldnt be happening again.
Its different with Kaka, hes an excellent player, but he doesnt have the stature at the club that Sheva did. The president & vice-president of the club are not family memory and/or great friends like they were with Sheva.
If he said he wanted to leave, his choice of leaving or not would not be upto him. Fact. And he knows that if Milan dont want to sell, then he's gona do more good for himself playing on the field than sitting on the bench. Short of some rediculus offer coming in for him, Milan simply wouldnt sell him.
And while your right, that few clubs could afford to sit a player on the bench, Kaka is at the age now that if he spent significant amount of time on the bench, that his rep would go down, interest in him would go down, and thus money offered for him would go down. He would have to play and play well for the good of his career.
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Why can't you compare the sale of Shevchenko to that of any other player? The reason for him wanting to leave is irrelevant, if even true at all. If it was as simple for a player to just say they want a move for family reasons then all unhappy players would use that excuse.

Yes Milan rarely sell their players, but the same can be said for all of the big clubs around europe. It would have to be pretty extreme circumstances for a star player of a team such as Milan, Madrid, Barca, Utd etc to want to leave the club, so to say Milan don't sell big players makes no sense. Of course they don't sell them because they rarely ask to leave.

All a Club can do once a player is adamant they want to leave is to get the best price they can.
 
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wedgie22 said:
Yes Milan rarely sell their players, but the same can be said for all of the big clubs around europe. It would have to be pretty extreme circumstances for a star player of a team such as Milan, Madrid, Barca, Utd etc to want to leave the club, so to say Milan don't sell big players makes no sense. Of course they don't sell them because they rarely ask to leave.
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I say that in reference to what Gallani has said in the past. The the 'jewels' of the side never get sold. You can argue it either way, its moot atm.

All a Club can do once a player is adamant they want to leave is to get the best price they can.
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So why arnt United selling Ronaldo then. ;)
 
The jewels of the side never get sold? Here's a few examples from the last few years that say otherwise, and in all these cases the club didn't want to sell.

Zidane to Madrid
Rooney to Utd
Ferdinand to Utd (Rio even had to go as far as handing in an official transfer request)
Figo to Madrid
Shevchenko to Milan (Yes his transfer is in the same category as all the others)
Anelka to Madrid (Probably the best case of player power, there was no way Arsenal were ever going to keep him no matter what they said)

I'm sure if I looked it up I would find many more examples.

BoomAM said:
So why arnt United selling Ronaldo then. ;)
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On What are you basing your opinion that Ronaldo wants to leave Utd? Paper talk? If you believe all you read in the paper then you'll have a lot of worrying to do over the next few weeks, I can't see transfer rumours involving the Italian clubs stopping until at least the start of the season.

Once again, Ronaldo only said it would be fine if he went to Madrid and fine if he stayed. If he does decide that he wants to leave Utd at some point then there really wont be a whole lot Utd can do to stop him.
 
mcdermos said:
I highly suspect there may be a few loan deals in the offing
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I agree, I think rafa is trying to loan trez/zlatan/camronasi. I think a loan suits our lack of funds perfectly, and probably suits juve aswell! problem is they aint coming back up this season, so would it be a two year loan???cant see them going back after a year to get annother year of no europe and no serie A
 
How are any of these teams going to get promoted/back into europe if all their top players are either sold or go out on loan?

They can't have it both ways, either they keep the mojoraty of their best players and recover asap, or lose them in which case it could be a very long road to recovery.
 
wedgie22 said:
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Notice how my comment was in relation to Milans vice-president. Not of those other clubs. Notice how the ONLY Milan entry you've listed is Sheva, and not any others. :o

I'm sure if I looked it up I would find many more examples.
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Go for it. Go and find some examples of players in their prime getting sold by Milan. I guarantee you that you'll only find players that are past it at most.

On What are you basing your opinion that Ronaldo wants to leave Utd? Paper talk?
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What are you basing your opinions of the entire Milan squad wanting to leave on? Paper Talk? As with most of the people im coming across lately, you've been brainwashed by what the English news services have told you about the scandel. :o
 
Have i said 'never' in this case?
Nope. Ive said that Milan rarely sell their star players.

But considering wedgie22 is using all his effort to try and prove something that doesnt, and cant, be proved, im finding it a little pointless to continue arguing about if Milan sell their players or not.

Milan are not in the same trouble as the other 3 clubs. We dont need to sell, after a season we'll probably be back where we were anyway.
 
i would love to see all the players playing in our premiership next season,regardless of which club, obv the toon are signing everyone and we will become the new football super power :p
 
wedgie22 said:
It's true that some of the players involved will stay at their clubs, infact I belive most of the big name players will probably stay and help the club out of trouble.
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BoomAM, as you clearly didn't read this comment first time around there it is again. Strange comment from someone using all their effort to prove otherwise wouldn't you say?

The only point I am trying to prove is that if any of the players from the clubs involved want to leave, there is nothing that the club can do to stop them. That includes Milan, whether you think otherwise or not.

This fantasy world you live in where any club can hold a player against their will just doesn't exist.
 
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