why all the hate for hs2?

So.

It doesn't start where they planned.
It doesn't finish where they planned.
It doesn't go as fast as they planned.
It doesn't go as far North (or North at all) as they planned.
It costs a lot more than they planned.

So, pretty much what most people could forsee years ago. Absolutely spaffed public money into some people's pockets.
 
adidan said:
So.

It doesn't start where they planned.
It doesn't finish where they planned.
It doesn't go as fast as they planned.
It doesn't go as far North (or North at all) as they planned.
It costs a lot more than they planned.

So, pretty much what most people could forsee years ago. Absolutely spaffed public money into some people's pockets.
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it's a total sh.. show... but that said does that mean that's it then? we give up and don't do any major infrastructure projects and continue spiraling down the toilet?.

HS2 I was never in support of, but it had cross party support with a huge amount spent on it. what is happening now is the worst of all worlds. a huge amount of money blown and a half assed product at the end of it.
 
bigmike20vt said:
it's a total sh.. show... but that said does that mean that's it then? we give up and don't do any major infrastructure projects and continue spiraling down the toilet?.

HS2 I was never in support of, but it had cross party support with a huge amount spent on it. what is happening now is the worst of all worlds. a huge amount of money blown and a half assed product at the end of it.
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I'm not saying no to major infrastructure, I just think more time should be spent deciding what it actually feasible, practical, useful and value for money.

Either that or get people on board who know what they're talking about.

Are there any financial consequences to any of the companies involved?
 
Surely at this stage the whole of HS2 is just a money laundering exercise for some individuals in the right positions? Absolutely joke. Someone should have the balls to pull the plug. I go past Old Oak Common every few days on the train and they’ve barely started putting in foundations by the look of it. People should be going to jail for this extortionate waste of public finances.
 
On the bright side, it only cost them 80 million to build this :

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Scam said:
Surely at this stage the whole of HS2 is just a money laundering exercise for some individuals in the right positions? Absolutely joke. Someone should have the balls to pull the plug. I go past Old Oak Common every few days on the train and they’ve barely started putting in foundations by the look of it. People should be going to jail for this extortionate waste of public finances.
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I know someone on the inside on this project and the amount of fraud is shocking. They even found contractors somehow clocking in on 2 sites at the same time lol. Companies billing for stuff they haven't done etc. They have bought people in to check and are starting to nail them for it now though.
 
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Scam said:
Surely at this stage the whole of HS2 is just a money laundering exercise for some individuals in the right positions? Absolutely joke. Someone should have the balls to pull the plug. I go past Old Oak Common every few days on the train and they’ve barely started putting in foundations by the look of it. People should be going to jail for this extortionate waste of public finances.
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They've done a lot more than that. Say what you want about the managing of the project from the politicians, the actual engineering that is going on up and down the route is very impressive.
 
It is so daft for folks to blame private companies for this shambles, when it's our elected super-mega-competent-honest-gov politicians who have happily created a legal, regulatory and NGO-centric environment which makes large scale construction now pretty much impossible. Look at Hinkley Point C and the fish protection mechanisms at £700m. Look at £179m spent on impact assessment crap for Stonehenge tunnel with nothing to show for it.
 
Scam said:
Surely at this stage the whole of HS2 is just a money laundering exercise for some individuals in the right positions? Absolutely joke. Someone should have the balls to pull the plug. I go past Old Oak Common every few days on the train and they’ve barely started putting in foundations by the look of it. People should be going to jail for this extortionate waste of public finances.
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Just read a news report, 3 lots of 25k worth of materials went missing en route and had to be resent, LBC sourced.
 
Wow today's news is even more damming. £87-102bn estimated cost but the updated timelines...

The full service from London Euston to Curzon Street and a connection to the West Coast Main Line is not expected to run until between 2040 and 2043.
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Over a quarter of a billion on management consultants alone. It will help deal with capacity but my God, this is a national scandal (queue a £20m inquiry in the 50s).
 
Just as they compulsory purchased land and property they should compulsory reclaim monies from people that have been ineffectual and taken the taxpayer for a ride.
 
doodah said:
Wow today's news is even more damming. £87-102bn estimated cost but the updated timelines...



Over a quarter of a billion on management consultants alone. It will help deal with capacity but my God, this is a national scandal (queue a £20m inquiry in the 50s).
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We need that Post Office bloke to enter the fray and expose them all.
 
FirebarUK said:
It is so daft for folks to blame private companies for this shambles, when it's our elected super-mega-competent-honest-gov politicians who have happily created a legal, regulatory and NGO-centric environment which makes large scale construction now pretty much impossible. Look at Hinkley Point C and the fish protection mechanisms at £700m. Look at £179m spent on impact assessment crap for Stonehenge tunnel with nothing to show for it.
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Indeed it is up to government to put a stop to it.

Absolute disgrace everywhere and it is all tax payers money.
 
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