why all the hate for hs2?
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I would personally like to see that money invested in our existing, crumbling, rail network rather than creating a new, relatively small, fork which will benefit a small number of commuters.
What's the point in creating a single (short) high-speed line if the rest of the country is grinding to a halt?
It seems to me a case of magpie syndrome: "Look at the new shiny thing instead of dealing with the landfill behind us".
What's the point in creating a single (short) high-speed line if the rest of the country is grinding to a halt?
It seems to me a case of magpie syndrome: "Look at the new shiny thing instead of dealing with the landfill behind us".
so? the condems could have not approved it, doesn't really matter who is in power its a ****ing stupid waste of money
Caporegime
I'm all for it! My GF lives in Birmingham and I would love to be able to go to hers then sit on a train for 45 minutes and have a day out in London! I wouldn't be bothered about paying a premium charge either to be honest. As Jonny69 says its not about now, but the futures where London is bulging people are trying to get into work, other major cities need better transport and infrastructure.
Moaning ministers, hippies, environmentalists and mud hut dwelling grunts... oh and all the red tape, get out the ****ing way 'cos there's a 250mph train coming to hit you!!
Moaning ministers, hippies, environmentalists and mud hut dwelling grunts... oh and all the red tape, get out the ****ing way 'cos there's a 250mph train coming to hit you!!
Indeed, physical transport is a 20th C. solution. The 21st C. should really be about improved data communications and the energy to power them.
The London to Birmingham route will cost £17 billion. The extensions to Leeds, Manchester and Heathrow (to be built later) will push the total cost to £32 billion.
This would link Birmingham with London and Heathrow reducing domestic air travel and reduce congestion on M6 and M1. In addition East Midlands Airport would be within 40 mins of London potentially reducing the need to expand Heathrow etc.
Yep, that's politics for you!
Soldato
These tree-huggers who're always opposing advancements like this are the ones that would probably have been out protesting Jethro Tull and his spiffing new seed drill.
These are the people who expect us all to go back to living in small villages and using turnips as currency.
These are the people who expect us all to go back to living in small villages and using turnips as currency.
Man of Honour
I can just imagine all the tree huggers getting there ropes ready now & picking a tree to live in for the next 5 years or so.
Its now worth £15 billion, and the US were open to the idea of selling the F22 to Australlia (according to the US sec of defence) before the program was cancelled. Russia will be selling the T50 to India (so India will have better planes than us and be paying almost 1/8 the price...) so they would obviously have sold them to us.
Soldato
(No disrespect to the people of Birmingham. 
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Why the hate? Who the hell wants to go to Birmingham!? Also is there really a need to get there at such a high speed?
How about using the money to improve the network that we already have.
)Why the hate? Who the hell wants to go to Birmingham!? Also is there really a need to get there at such a high speed?
How about using the money to improve the network that we already have.
Soldato
why all the hate? I presume you dont live in an area where they prepose to develop. Literally I will be able to see the line from my house - at the moment all I see is lush green fields and lots of dog walkers.
Pretty big reason to hate it wouldnt you say?
Im not a tree hugger but the route they plan if you have looked into it properly seems to be someones idea of how best to '**** over the environment big time'
Pretty big reason to hate it wouldnt you say?
Im not a tree hugger but the route they plan if you have looked into it properly seems to be someones idea of how best to '**** over the environment big time'
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That would cost more and end up with less capacity, see above figures.
After the London-Birmingham is done they are aiming for Birmingham-Leeds and Birmingham-Manchester links making it a Y (thats all inc in the £32 billion cost) so maybe it will go even further and overhaul a lot of the rail network.
Anyone who thinks it just saves 30 mins need to get a clue.
People are always complaining about capacity as well, this will help capacity no end.
And it's not like there is no other rail projects.
Things like this are vital to the country, who's population is only going in one direction.
Caporegime
Clearly they should be spending it on extra English teachers.
Opposing advancements? Who's to say this is an 'advancement'? If better solutions, benefiting more people (like local, light rail, cycling infrastructure and faster data networks) can be had the less money surely that's more advanced leaving HS2 looking like a 20thC century dinosaur, 40 years too late.
yeah I imagine a train going 200mph + is going to be pretty noisy
Caporegime
NIMBY, possibly BANANA.